Right On The Mark Podcast
Episode 1 & 2 featuring Ted Nugent
The premiere episode of, “Right On The Mark” features one of the premiere voices in the worlds of hunting and rock and roll, Ted Nugent. Uncle Ted helped get ROTM’s host, Keith Mark, into outdoor television and we join their digital campfire as they share a few of their favorite stories. Don’t miss the guitar solo by the Motor City Madman to kick it off right.
Ted Nugent is the first guest on, “Right On The Mark” and he kicks things off with a bang. The Motor City Madman has been hunting for seven decades and host of his TV series, “The Spirit Of The Wild” for more than 500 episodes. He and Keith Mark, host of “ROTM”, have been friends for over 25 years and have shared many a hunting camp along with a very similar set of values along the way.
Keith credits Ted with initially introducing him to the world of outdoor television and showed him the ropes early in his TV career. Keith is the perfect host for “Right On The Mark”, a weekly podcast focused on hunting and Traditional American Values.
In this premiere episode, Keith and Ted talk about how their hunting lifestyle helped them through the pandemic with panic and remind listeners that hunters have provided over 250 million nutritious meals to the needy by donating deer for processing. Along the way, they share stories of the many exciting and hilarious hunts they have shared over the years.
Keith is a wilderness, fly-in outfitter who co-hosted of Shawn Michaels MacMillan River Adventures along with the WWE Superstar for over a decade on Outdoor Channel. He currently hosts the television series, “Great American Tales” and recently founded “Hunter Nation”, America’s fastest growing, non-profit organization dedicated to protecting our right to hunt.
Right On The Mark 0:00
Right On The Mark episode one part one of two featuring Ted Nugent, recorded may of 2021 starts right now.
He is hunted all across America and around the world. rifle, pistol, shotgun, crossbow compound traditional, he uses them all. He's an outfitter, an award winning outdoor television host and founder of America's only organization fighting to protect every hunters lifestyle. He's brash, he's bold, he's humorous, and a bit hothead. But when it comes to all things, God Family, Country and Hunting. He's Keith Mark, and he's Right On The Mark.
Keith Mark 0:45
Well, welcome to Right On The Mark podcast. I'm Keith Mark, the host, and this is a brand new podcast and we're going to focus on outdoor lifestyle hunting fishing type of issues. I'm gonna have my sidekick with me every week, and it's Josh Ishmael. Josh, welcome to the podcast.
Josh Ishmael 1:02
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Keith Mark 1:04
And a lot of folks out there don't know Josh is Josh Ishmael cam, which was his original Twitter handle. And the reason for that is is I feel like I've had Josh over my shoulder for the last 15 years because he actually started in this business, filming from McMillan River Adventures and ultimately filming for Shawn Michaels. And I and Shawn Michaels
Josh Ishmael 1:25
Been 15 years of actually filming and then about ever since I was seven or eight years old, you're my baseball coach. So I've known you for many, many, many, many, many I could keep going right so
Keith Mark 1:35
now he's gonna start off with age jokes right off. So you know what if we're gonna kick each other right off the bat, Josh? Well, by the way, thanks for putting on the Hunter Nation t shirt. I noticed when you strolled into the studio today, you were wearing all flatlander gear, right? Nothing like pimping your own show. Just shameless right whenever I can you learn very well from Shawn Michaels nice, right? Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, our first guest, it's should be it's my best pal on the planet. The guy that actually got me into the outdoor industry side of the business. Ted Nugent, I'm pretty excited to have Ted on I'm sure you are.
Josh Ishmael 2:06
Keith Mark 2:06
I can't help before before we get Ted on I was doning a project with Ted we filmed Ted backstage, he gave us some lines. And then we needed to get a little bit of video during a concert. And so Josh was filming we just needed literally, maybe 10 seconds of video. For the video that we were doing five clips total five clips. And so Josh had gotten everything that he needs. And so I was standing back by the soundboard with my son Zack and Josh had ended up on stage right? And was just watching the concert because you know, he had all access pass. So he stood there on the stage. Well, Ted, right in the middle of this pack concert. He's playing and just you know, how Ted is in concert. He looks over. And he sees Josh standing there camera down at his side. Clearly not filming. And Ted's thinking that you're going to film the whole concert. I guess. I don't know. Maybe you'll ask him today. But Ted looks over he goes Can I ask that question i at your own risk. Ted looks over and he says Josh, move around Josh.
Just Just like that, and the whole place the whole he's live in the middle of the song and they're all like First of all, I'm trying to figure out who's Josh and what is he doing so badly to be cursed onstage from Ted Nugent? So cutting a solo on his guitar while cutting a promo on me? Exactly. So anyway, stay tuned we've got none other than the Motor City Madman uncle Ted, Ted Nugent, coming right up.
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Ted Nugent 4:16
About the most important thing is guitar tones.
Keith Mark 4:37
There's a man that needs no more introduction than that Ted Welcome to Right On The Mark. How you doing buddy?
Ted Nugent 4:41
You know I feel welcome Right On The Mark. Very happy springtime during the dumbest time in the history of humanity. God bless all those positive wonderful families in the asset column. I'm proud to share this electronic campfire with you Keith food logic and common sense continues to stimulate my every day.
Keith Mark 5:00
Well, I hope today's podcast if you will, will mirror virtually our daily phone conversations because we solve all the world's problems which it isn't really that difficult. And quite frankly, we're a couple of very entertaining sons of guns.
Ted Nugent 5:15
Well, you know if I was any more fun I'd probably buy a ticket to go see me. Here's the bottom line. You know, we talked about our phone calls. We talked about the crazy heartbreak that goes on in our world today, especially in the last best place we would expect better from America.
Unfortunately, and heartbreakingly experienced in the very worst, but I think it's really important to note that My name is Ted Nugent. I'm a wild guitar guy i'm i'm not only Monique Corley, the Motor City madman I really am the Motor City madman I pursue every breath I take since 1948. With mucho gusto, with passion with, with adventure with Uncharted, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness and here's the crazy part is, is the lunatic fringe of our our society labels me as radical extreme dangerous out of control Nugent's lost it. Let me make sure everybody knows that the Nugent family is in the asset column, my wife Shemane, my son's my daughter's my band, my crew, my guides, my buddies, my team, everybody in my world, including the Mark family, everybody I know, we give. We work hard to produce for not just our family in our neighborhood, but for our nation, our fellow man around the world, there is no crime in the Nugent family. We don't want anything from anybody in the Nugent family, we set an alarm clock, and we get up every day during especially during these just savage Chinese virus conditions. The Nugent family for all our radical extremism benefits everybody, we work hard to benefit the local grocery store in the feed mill in the in the farmers market, in my neighbors, and we we put in food plots for the wildlife, we manage our habitat so that air soil and water quality benefits all of the people in the world. So as I am labeled the extremist and the radical, I take that is a badge of honor, because I'm extremely tuned in to be conscientious and make intelligent priority decisions so that I don't bring negativity to my fellow man, I bring positivity to my fellow man. And I know Keith, that's how you operate. So it's important to draw that distinction in this world, that those of us that are labeled crazy, are actually the benefit we benefit. our fellow man we benefit wild ground, we benefit wildlife, we benefit the American dream life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of everybody. Not only are we not an obstacle to that, we are a propellant an accelerant, to that so I couldn't be more proud of what the Nugent family represents. And what Keith you and your family represent. And quite honestly, I have a lot of friends, a lot of hunting buddies, a lot of rock and roll buddies, and everybody I know works very hard to be in the positive asset column for America and the world.
Keith Mark 8:24
Hey hold on there. Ted, we have to take a quick break, folks, we will be back with more hunting stories from Ted Nugent, and learn how hunters have helped feed millions of meals for the hungry. Stay with us.
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Keith Mark 8:53
Welcome back to ride on the mark with my very special guest, Ted Nugent. Well, you know, you and I both grew up in a hunting family. And so we were blessed to have this hunting lifestyle passed on to us. So during the pandemic,
I wasn't worried about my freezer being empty or grocery stores not being stocked. First of all, I'm because I'm a hunter, I'm always prepared. We had plenty of the other products from toilet paper and everything in between. But we had the ability if my freezer were to run low to go out and acquire more. I mean, that's what I think we need to start looking back and more towards Ted is a little bit more self sufficiency, a little bit more self reliance. I mean, these people that think that government are really somebody else is going to solve your problems, feed your family clothes, you clothe you. I mean, that's just the wrong approach. I've always felt more comfortable taking charge of my own destiny, you
Ted Nugent 9:50
Well, again, that instinct I think it's a primal pure representation of God's miraculous creation that we are created in his image and likeness, in our conscience, our spirit, our soul drives in an organic, reflexive, primal instinct to be in the asset column to provide for ourselves. And that's why, that's why the miracle of renewable resource management, ie hunting, fishing, and trapping, is so perfect. If you want life, you're going to need food, water, clothing, shelter, weapons, tools, medicine, and spirit. Now bear with me, because I may, I may catch some people off guard here because I never went to college, I was too busy learning stuff. And the stuff I learned is literally one plus one equals two. The stuff I've learned in a hunting family in a hunting environment is that nature, by all intellectual and honest considerations, demands participation, you're not going to have quality air, soil and water, which is the foundation of quality of life, for all living things. You're not going to have that quality sustenance, if you're not tuned into your resource stewardship obligations. And it just happens to be that resource stewardship obligations happens to be fun. It happens to be exciting and happens to be an adventure, the outdoor lifestyle, the hunting, fishing, trapping, understanding where that raccoon might work the edge of that that river, where that pheasant might hang in that thick pucker brush, where that deer trail might go from a bedding area to a feeding area. So you can ambush them, kill them, feed your family. And then of course, the most exciting part of the hunting lifestyle is that there are still so many men 10s of millions of hunting families out there. And wildlife is thriving because we used science to manage the sustained yield harvest every year since the early 1900s. And so now we have so much venison you just mentioned a minute ago, you never worry about your freezer running dry. I worry about having enough room in my freezer. I had to buy two freezers this year. But I think a great celebration of the hunting lifestyle is that hunters for the last 32 years and actually goes way before that goes back to time in memorial. But we donate over a quarter of a billion healthy meals of organic renewable venison to soup kitchens in homeless shelters every year. Let me repeat that. Yeah, nobody knows when I told Glenn Beck that when I told Rush Limbaugh that when I told Sean Hannity that they were really a quarter billion meals of venison, right, rip, really you do that? Yeah, we've been doing over 30 years with the Hunters for the Hungry Program and the Sportsmen Against Hunger. So that pure organic, natural protein, the most nutritious and delicious in the world, we donate a quarter of a billion hot meals of venison to our fellow needy Americans, every year without the USDA, right without FDA, without any tax dollars, we the people harvest the deer that were driven to do because it's so perfect, it has to be done. And we share that pure venison with 10s of millions of American families. And nobody ever talks about this. So I'm proud to talk about that a salute to the hunting families out there that care that work hard because killing the deer is a lot of work right? But it's fun work. It is gratifying, fulfilling work when the job is done and you got that backstrap.
By the way you might be noticed I'm tooth picking my canines here, because I just dined on the most beautiful succulent Axis deer backstrap with organic wild boar bacon. So I'm 72.4 years old, clean and sober all my life because of the drive to get close to wildlife to understand it and not just to kill it. But to understand my organic spiritual relationship with God's creation. It's driven me to be clean and sober and to accept the gift of the best food in the world. venison so I'm old but I'm cocked locked and ready to rock a glock around the clock dock because I'm not tuned out. I'm tuned in is beautiful. I can hardly stand myself.
Keith Mark 13:48
Well, hey, listen, stick around Ted because when we come back after this quick break, let's let's swap some hunting stories. I got a few that you do. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.
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Keith Mark 14:50
welcome back to Right On The Mark podcast. My guests. My first guest and of course must be first in the hunting world. Ted Nugent Ted you're here with Josh and I and you know, I was just thinking back I mean you and I've been hunting together three decades which seems almost impossible but but it's true. I thought I would just start with one that it turned into being just one of the coolest bow shots that I've ever seen but I want to talk about and then let you finish the story when you shot that just magnificent moose up there at McMillan River. But what I remember about that day is not the success that we had at the end of the day. You remember how when we left camp and started going down river it started raining and so we pulled off and got under a large spruce tree build a big fire you made Josh and and our buddy Matt Carpenter up there. And Honest to God, I don't know how you carry the pack that you had because out of the pack came grits came oatmeal came candy bars came everything known to man so we actually had a seven course meal. Thank you Ted from carrying all that food with him. But we did Yeah, I did. Well.
Ted Nugent 16:04
What I've done is I've just initiated a Facebook Live so that I can share those with you 10 million of hearty working hard playing hard rock and roll freedom loving Americans out there. I'm on with Keith mark on a podcast right now celebrating the perfection of Gods Tooth Fang and Claw nature and how we need to promote and celebrate the literal of the word Perfect comes to mind hunting fishing trapping is perfect, reverential utility of God's renewable resources and up in MacMillan River there in God's country. True wilderness and I've been so blessed. I was the last guy to get out of the Sudan alive in 1978. Hunting true African wilderness, untouched, unspoiled wilderness. And even today in the swamps of Michigan and you out there in Kansas. Yep, you can still have an absolute Primal Scream perfect wildlife experience in the year 2021, when not many things remain perfect or sensible. But that day on the MacMillan River in the Yukon, I remember because right now, in my pockets, and on my belt, I promise you, you could drop me off in the swamps of Brazil, and I would be just fine. But I always have certain tools of belt tool, belt knife, a pocket knife. I always have a little bit of first aid and some band aids in my wallet. I've got some guitar picks now up in Canada in the Yukon. I can't carry my handgun, but I already have the handgun on a bunch of ammo. I've got I've got my reading glasses. I've got a fire starter, but I remember that soggy, beautiful, nasty, challenging day on the MacMillan River that I just had a small backpack that I take with me every time I grab my bow arrow and every time I head to the woods even on spirit wild ranch where I'm never more than a mile from home. But that that sense of individuality there was a declaration of independence
Keith Mark 17:58
Ted Nugent 17:59
That Americans created because we didn't believe in Kings. We didn't believe in Emperor's we didn't believe in you know tyrants and punks that thought that they could control our lives inside every heart of a human being. And believe me, you go to my Facebook, I'm on with my Facebook right now the greatest people in the world. You'll hear from people from Ireland and Finn in Finland, in Spain and Portugal, and Australia, New Zealand, all across Canada, literally, I hear from people every day from all around the world. And they have that same instinct that you and I have to hear the call of nature to hear the call of the wild to acknowledge there's a spirit of the wild and, and we're driven when we take off the shackles of the modern world. were driven to get back to what co chiefs and Crazy Horse and and and Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett and the pioneers that came across Manifest Destiny and create a quality of life and all these incredible inventions that came from freedom where this inspiration to create and challenge yourself, be the man in the arena stumble and get up and try again and stumble and get back up and try again. And so we have this wonderful life where I have a thermostat, I can get hot water anytime I want. I got a truck I got I got everything you could possibly have. But I like getting my born arrow and with a short walk. I'm in the year 1pm so when we started that fire in the rainy Yukon afternoon to summit might feel uncomfortable. But until you've worked hand in hand Soul to Soul, with Mother Nature under worse blizzards rainstorms in Africa they almost killed me until you bend to that precipice of life and death challenge. You might not appreciate the thermostat For the clean sheets, as much as I do exactly, those those wilderness hunting outdoor adventures, they will stimulate the independent spirit and I again, my Facebook is I have people from all over the world on Facebook, who not only never hunted or owned a gun, but some of them were anti hunting and anti gun. But once they heard me repeat over and over again all these years, that joy of aim small Miss small marksmanship, the per the the demand our spiritual demand to be prepared to defend our gift of life. Keep in bear arms, the stimuli and the excitement. And the the adrenaline that's available when that Hawk goes right by you in the trees, Dan, or the birds are fluttering all around you and some of them are landing on the arrow singing to you
Keith Mark 20:50
because you become one, you know, when people talk to you. So that's a pretty important part of our life. Yeah, for sure. And you know, you're these anti hunting people, and a lot of people that that have never experienced hunting, all they do is focus on the end result, which they think always ends up with a kill, which of course, you and I both know, that's not true. But although this particular day, we're talking about the Yukon, it ended up, you know, highly successful. The best part of it to me is, you know, when we were laying under that tree, you mentioned Africa, I know, you remember you telling some African stories, and as you know, that was on the same trip where I shot the moose that was charging, and I shot it with a bow at like two yards. And so of course, I think as we said, under that tree, I might have told that story six or seven times, you know, and, and, you know, and we even heard, you know, Josh telling, you know, everybody just shares those stories and, and that's really the camaraderie that's really what it's all about. But after we packed up that day, and you know, got the fire out, rain stopped and we went back up the river a little bit to a place where we really wanted to hunt. And I don't know if you remember, you probably do we watch every channel, literally everything literally everything and we got on that little bank and had that moose call down the way. Pick it up from there, Ted tell the story. Oh, yeah.
Ted Nugent 22:17
Well, here comes this locomotive, that I had my trusty bow and arrow that I've been shooting since about 1952. I love the mystical flight of the arrow. And I'm fascinated, absolutely stimulated just mesmerized by wildlife. But when a moose when an Alaska Yukon moose is coming into your face, and he's coming in looking for trouble with it. You know, he means business medically. So we're hunkered down next to that pucker brush. And here he comes. I know but Josh is right behind me. And you were right next to me. And that moose was at about about seven or eight yards. But there was just enough pucker brush, covering his vitals where I did what I call the back strap ballet. And I really leaned over to the side and I found a hole through the you're shooting through stuff like this. And I found a hole just about that big. And I put that mystical flight in the air when slammed right through his shoulder. And it was it's a moment that is so pure. It's a moment where you're not really killing the animal. You have dedicated yourself to practice with your gear, your archery, your firearms, that you learn stealth, you learn to read God's pulse, you learned understand the habitat where the where the creature might be and where he might be heading. And it's always a roll of the dice. But you will learn that after experience after experience after experience, and we chose the right spot plus, what was your guides name there that day Matt Carpenter Matt. Matt has I mean, I almost wanted to shoot Matt. He sounded somewhat like a horse. But I knew that he was an expert at that he really understands the relationship with especially bull moose up in the Yukon. And that arrow hit that giant he had to be pushing 1200 1300 pounds big old mature probably eight year old moves to scored somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 inches to 20. Beast to 20 he was dead in about five seconds. Yep. Because the Euro penetrated both lungs and I was shooting a lightweight bow I was only shooting 50 pounds. And my arrow was 400 green gold tip and I think I shoot in a two blade broadheads but those moments that I've expressed as of this right Spear of the wild is such a successful TV show, because I'm able to share in imprinting detail the moment of definitive escape from the modern world. Yeah, I was the only human on Earth you were at my side and you're my blood brother Josh was there and Matt was there. But when that moose and I face, face to face, and the same thing happens with a cocktail Jumping up, or the same thing happened this morning with a raccoon that I had on my trap line and the dogs are fighting it, all of a sudden, it's your your, your, your the heartbeat of God's creation, you're doing your resource stewardship responsibilities. And when I come to full draw on an animal or I'm swinging on a Mallard, or I'm checking my trap line, knowing that I'm reducing the chance for rabies and distemper and made by balancing the furbearer population, I'm telling you the here, here's here's how perfect it is. Here's how perfect the outdoor experiences provide us. There was no Joe Biden, there was no Nancy Pelosi, there was no evil, there was no Chinese communist tyrants. There was no hate. There was no Hillary Clinton criminality, there was no line hating media, I'm telling you, these moments in the great outdoors. That's why my show and my song and my podcast is called spirit of the wild, there's an Aboriginal connection with God's creation that is optimized, and maybe other than breeding and producing offspring.
Very important guest vary the birth of a child, or the the goodbye to a loved one at the grave site. And I'm imagining I've spent so much time with heroes of the military. I imagine when you kill evil, when you're able to kill an evil person who would take away your freedom and harm your fellow man. Those moments in life are very limited. And when you're hunting, fishing and trapping, and you're taking that scientific based surplus from the wild, you know, you're making the wild, healthier, thereby making the world healthier, certainly making yourself healthier. And you're making the air Soil and Water productivity. better for everybody, including people who would try to stop you from doing it. Yeah. So there's an out of body Samurai definitive, highest, not higher, highest level of awareness that is attainable in the hunting, fishing trapping experience. And I cherish it more today as an old man than I did as a little boy in Michigan. No,
Keith Mark 27:38
it's good to hear Josh that all that was going through Ted's head. What was going through my head was as Ted started leaning, and the ball is like nine yards away, and just two days before that you and I'd been charged by the other moose. Here. I'm on my knees next to the guy that's about to lean over and fall I'm thinking. I mean, when he got almost to the point where he couldn't lean anymore, and he let the arrow go, I literally I just shut my eyes thinking God, please.
Josh Ishmael 28:09
For me, it was a step before that because there was two trails he could take, right but when he took or the one that came directly in us or on us, right, it was it was one or the other and we were going to be in bad trouble.
Keith Mark 28:21
Yeah, well, anyway, you made a great shot. And you know, we're gonna take a quick break right here, Ted, but before we leave the Yukon, I want to tell one other Yukon story when we come back. And that involves just what this is really all about. The joy that I saw you share when your son Toby killed his moose with us up at MacMillan River Adventures. Stay tuned, we're gonna be right back with Ted Nugent.
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Keith Mark 29:00
Welcome back to Right On The Mark podcast. Josh and I are here with my good friend Ted Nugent.
Josh Ishmael 29:07
Real quick, I just I don't get to say a lot because I just want to hear you guys tell stories. And I feel like I'm just a fly on the wall. And just like everybody else, and I love it.
Keith Mark 29:15
You know what Josh has been able to tag along with a lot of hunts. I mean, we've hunted with Ted. Many, many, many times. You know,
Ted Nugent 29:25
by the way, when we're talking about hunting together, we're complete idiots. If we don't do it every year. Yeah, we're getting old. Yeah, those moments are so special. When I head back to Michigan I have every weekend sold out for sunrise safaris September, October and the first half of November. Then here in Texas. I have my hunt sold out on spirit wild ranch. But Keith, we got to get Mark Geist some of these. These warriors together and you guys got to come out my camp fires in Michigan are attended by the greatest human beings that ever walked this earth. Nice. Families smart, successful, hard working anywhere from a hardware store operator to a used car salesman to the CEO of a high tech gig to big wigs of the Big Three auto companies, but just hard workin' (bleep) kickers that put their heart and soul into participating in the sacred experiment, self government. So let's make it a point right now officially on Ted Nugent, Facebook Live. And on your podcast, that 2021 we will start an annual ritual where you guys join me at these wonderful sunrise safaris camp.
Keith Mark 30:34
Yes. I mean, it's always a blast when we do and yeah, we've done it, ever ate koon and beaver was there. Yes. The first time you ever ate beaver was it Ted's, so I'll be darned. I'll be darned. Yeah, well, crap, Beaver. It's a good song. Yeah, there you go. So Ted, a couple years before the story that we just told you were up in the Yukon and this time you were allowing your son Toby to hunt and he had never killed an Alaska Yukon moose. It was another great Yukon story. We'd come across the lake, parked, there was a berm there and and we'd seen moose there. And we were coming up along the shoreline. And I had heard just a slightest tick of a moose antler on a branch. No one else had heard it. But I basically if you remember, stopped everybody. And we let out a call. And this moose came. And he got he was coming no closer. It was 30 yards. And he turned broadside. And you were actually filming for spirit of the wild. I think I was actually filming for McMillan River Adventures at that time. And, you know, I've been there with Zach and Jake. And as a parent, you know, when you don't have the bow in your hand. You know, it's it's the rubbers met the road, you know, and I can only imagine what was going through your heart and mind. Toby comes back to full draw. The moose puts himself in a perfect place. And then to see his arrow. I mean, it was a new light
Ted Nugent 32:10
You know, you always hear me celebrate the mystical flight of the arrow. That's why I always use white arrows for so many years, just like Howard Hill and Fred Bear and Ben Pearson did because they wanted especially shooting instinctively, you have to imprint what is the arch of your archery? What is the arch of the arrow at any given estimated ranges and you really learn to read the ranges instinctively based on a millions of arrows arching Well, that's why I created the gold tip arrows that are zebra black and white zebra cars in flight. They look white and they're visible. Plus I shoot a lightweight bow I shoot 50 pound Matthews. So my arrows are going maybe a couple 100 feet a second because velocity means nothing. It's about shot placement, stealth timing, and a razor sharp two blade broadhead in my world. But Toby was shooting a 45 pound experimental nuge bow that day, shooting instinctive, but my son Toby, who I didn't push to become a hunter. I always shared my stories and I he helped track deer as he was growing up. And he didn't get a deer on his first deer hunt in Texas when he was six years old and his sister Sachi got one when she was eight that year, and I remember he was a little let down, but he didn't pursue the deer hunting or the outdoor lifestyle with much vigor, shall we say? But then he became more interested more interested, we shoot our bows together. And that day, it was consummated that his timing, his stealth, his freezing, and his reading the bulls actions that when that bull stop I think it was Matt that did a one last grunt and the bull bull turn broadside. And because Toby was shooting a lightweight bow, which is what I always encouraged for grace and control, and instinctively you saw that gold tip zebra arrow arc those 30 plus yards. And it was literally I think, you know, we talked about prayers for the wild things we want the wild ground to be healthy because the wildness is the canary in our coal mine. And the prayers that I had said I want my son to get a moose I want my son to get a moose hell to get a moose and that arrow it. It's It's It's forever in my sight. Because at that long range 30 plus yards at for only 40 little over 40 pounds afford a green gold tip with a two blade broadhead that arrow arch slowly up over that Yukon brush. And I swear Jesus grabbed Toby's arrow and stabbed that moose right in the top of my heart and that moose with a 40 I think it was 40 to 40 three pound bow, that arrow went all the way to the fletching went through both lungs that bull spun around, and we couldn't count to five, and it was dead and that moose was an enormous trophy old bull. That was over 1000 pounds. And that's a tribute to what Fred bear and Howard Hill and Ben Pearson are all the founding fathers of modern bow hunting got from co cheese and Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull that a razor sharp broadhead in anything's lungs is terminal. And I remember it was very emotional, Toby and I hot course, we all want to talk when
Keith Mark 35:37
I brought the camera back from the moose kill, and I turned back to you guys. And that's something that I'll remember forever. Because, you know, I actually wrote an article about it. And I asked the question, Does a grown man hug his own grown son? And the answer is, of course he does. You had tears in your eyes. Ted, you were hugging him with you know, the pride that only a father you know, could feel it was it was a heck of a moment.
Ted Nugent 36:05
Yeah, it really was. You're not you know, I'm an emotional guy. Because I've been clean and sober my whole life. All my nerve endings are rather raw. I'm very, I'm very, very, very, very, very, very alive. So when you pursue the things that you're so passionate about, you're you're you're constantly breaststroke in up the whitewater rapids of adrenaline. And that moment when my son performed his dedication and practice regimen at the archery range with me, under those very nerve racking moments, a garg gargantuan when youkon moose, I mean, these things are the size of a Peterbilt, exude psychological or tsunami bombardment of emotions and sensations that you're just not going to get downtown. Now, maybe you're going No. My point is, is that Toby perform. That's that instinct I'm talking about, when Toby determined to shoot that moose look like we all experienced. And again, it doesn't matter whether it's a quail, or an elephant, there is a moment where you know, you're taking the gift of God's renewability. And you might not be thinking in those terms when you're about to put an arrow through the heart of a giant Yukon moose. But there's a cocktail of truth, a cocktail of scientific evidence that you know, you're being compelled to perform a conservation responsibility. And number one, it's so much fun because you're in the wild with your friends and you make that little campfire under a wet spruce tree. And you see the ducks and the geese you see the bear off on the on the shoreline. And you see the moose and you smell and feel and taste this nature cocktail of invigoration. But at the moment of infamy when Toby is at full draw, I promise you, it's it's one of those rare, cherished moments in life that qualifies is out of body. That's right, and you have your father son there, which you know, all too well, which we cannot overstate. It's a mystical spiritual moment, that unless you've done it, you might not understand what I'm trying to say. But luckily on facebook live right now you you guys got to come to Facebook, I'm telling you, you're missing out. The pulse of the best people in the world are on my Facebook every day. And because I am able to articulate these feelings and sensations so accurately from a lifetime of experience. More and more people on my Facebook are buying bows and arrows. They're buying guns and ammo. They're getting their concealed weapons permit. They're going to the range and they're discovering the joys of Aim Small Miss Small projectile management discipline, and the mystical flighty the arrow so promoting and celebrating conservation hunting, fishing, trapping, the shooting sports the joys of the outdoor lifestyle. It's job number one in 2021.
Keith Mark 39:09
Hey, stay tuned because Ted's agreed to stick around and join us for a whole nother program. We're gonna bust out some more hunting stories from our 20 past years of hunting, and I'm going to press him to learn why he hasn't been inducted into that Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I think we all really know why but I'm dumbfounded and hope he can shed some light on
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Keith Mark 0:01
Welcome to another Right On The Mark podcast and we're gonna pick up right where we just left off with my good friend, hunting legend rock and roll icon Ted Nugent, we're gonna dust off some more of our favorite hunting stories. And we're gonna give you just a little peek into what goes into creating a television show. While we're trying to hunt
Right On The Mark 0:23
Right On The Mark, Episode Two, part two of two featuring Ted Nugent, recorded may of 2021 starts right now. He is hunted all across America and around the world. rifle, pistol, shotgun, crossbow compound traditional, he uses them all. He's an outfitter, an award winning outdoor television host and founder of America's only organization fighting to protect every hunters lifestyle. He's brash, he's bold, he's humorous, and a bit hothead. But when it comes to all things, God family, country and hunting. He's Keith mark, and he's Right On The Mark.
Keith Mark 1:09
Let's swap some. Let's swap some other hunting stories. I'll tell a couple about you. And then you can kick some back. So we're up in your place in Michigan. We're sitting in a Doubletree, Stan, I'm filming you for spirit of the wild. And you said, Hey, just film everything that comes in. Okay. And you had told me you'd had this big buck that's coming through there. So in my brain, I'm thinking we're going to set their evenings going to come, you're going to get a crack at this buck. So any which way. So I'm sitting here in the stand stealthy, and we'll tell another story about that Ted demand stealthiness in the tree stand, but I've got the camera here. And all of a sudden I see a doe coming over here to my left. Now you understand Ted sitting over here on my right. And so I bring the camera up very slow. I do everything Ted tells me. I'm filming this dough. It's beautiful. You know, it's walking. It's no more
Ted Nugent 2:01
filming experiences that like you were an experienced camera, man. No. Is there any of your first time you ever did it? I
Keith Mark 2:07
think right. So I'm sitting here filming. And all of a sudden 10 shoots, and literally, the string nearly takes my nose off. As this arrow goes. I was like, Oh my God. I mean, you remember that?
Ted Nugent 2:24
Well, you know, I had a tag in my pocket. And stuffs got to die. I mean, that that was a huge big swap doggie she had to be pushing 160 170 pounds. She came up from the north swamp, about 200 yards from where I set my first lumenok at 58 yards that one day. We're gonna tell that story here in a second. Unbelievable stories. I'm telling you, everybody watching right now, you have no idea. The the excitement of every day of field, Keith and I could live to be 2000 years old and not even begin to scratch the surface of these exciting stories. But you know, I have faith that the broadhead would miss your nose. But that doe was right there broadside. How dare I not shoot that doe
Keith Mark 3:15
And you did you know. So that same trip, I tell another story. So I'm going to start it, you're going to tell it so Ted's trying to smart me up on how to run the camera Ted had right about this time convinced me to host my own show on outdoor channel, which I did MacMillan River Adventures. And so, you know, he wanted me to learn how to film and all this, you know, and so, he said, we're going to go out behind to this place called the picnic knob behind his house. And he said, it's kind of an odd setup, I'm going to be in a tree across the trail, you're going to be on the other side of the trail. Make sure you get up in there and get your face mask on these deer are going to come rolling in here quick. So first of all, I get there and Ted's, you know, a tall guy. I'm not that tall of a guy and so I show up and I see the stand up in the tree 18 feet and there's not a tree peg to be had within my reach. I'm like going for Christ's sake, how am I gonna get in the tree for starters, and so I've got the the camera the backpack in some way somehow I get up in the tree. I've never been so happy to get a safety belt on in my life. In the tree.
Ted Nugent 4:22
You look like a crippled gorilla. Reaching out banana. You kept reaching up and draging yourself up so you can get on the writer. Yeah, we're not gonna film it in front of the funniest things I've ever seen. So I'm already enjoying the entertainment that you're provided and it hasn't even really begun yet.
Keith Mark 4:42
So I get up there and I get the camera. I want to make sure the cameras on and I think oh, Ted said make sure you have your face mask on. So I've got this camera. I've got my face mask. And so I'm trying to get this face mask on. Ted you saw how to go.
Ted Nugent 5:02
Well, I'm up there and it's a little bit late in the afternoon. And this is the picnic knob. And I won't tell you exactly why it's called the picnic knob. Bail that story Shemane and I baptized it as the official picnic knob there you go. It's a beautiful, it's a beautiful place. Anyhow, so it's a magnificent piece of swamp edge. It's a big giant mound about a three acre mound of the edge of an eternal marshin fan of unique wetlands with a swamp meets of Marsh and its Supreme, mystical bedding area for just an unbelievable population of whitetail deer. And so I'm up there and I'm already set up I got my arrow knocked, and I got my face backup mask on. And I'm ready because the swamps out to the west of us. And the picnic knob rises up to our high ground. I'm in the maple and Keith is in the cedar, and I'm watching him climb up. I'm already knocked cocked and ready to rock rock rock. And he's still struggling to get up. I'm going. This is a funny, man. This is just like a chimp. This is like a chip that has never climbed before. And he's and he finally gets up there. And he's got the camera. And I admit that didn't have any hooks or anything to hang the camera. So Keith got the camera in his left hand. I'm watching and I look and I see movement down about 60 yards where this mound where the picnic knob meets this the marsh grass, and I'm going, Oh, he better get ready. There's just a deer coming. And he's over there. And he's got this face mask. And I've tried even though this is the this is the ultimate t shirt here, if you want one of these, you got to have one of these. both genders is the face mask. So he's got the camera and I watch him this dears coming and Keith's going. Gone.
Keith Mark 7:12
Oh, I wish it wasn't true, but it is.
Josh Ishmael 7:15
We've all been there.
Ted Nugent 7:21
I swear to God, it looked like the facemask was going to rape him. He was being raped by the facemask and he's wrestling and he's got an eyeball and there's an ear and I see a nose once in a while and he's naked and quick in his face mask all over. And this G awesome buck. I mean, I'm not a trophy in most people's mind, but a nice three year old eight point buck with real light antlers. He's moseying up this trail amongst the autumn Olive pucker brush and coming our way and he and Keith is still being raped by his facemask and finally he gets one eyeball out this face mask.
He sees the deer and he hits the record button and I whacked that deer right through the shoulder and he just barely got it. And I'm going like this is the funniest thing. I've had some really funny experiences my life but I've never seen a guy lose a wrestling match to a facemask. You know, a better show 10 if that was on camera, but you really but you really have progressed ace vid cam dude, for all all necessary professional accomplishments. So I salute you for that but but I can't I can't thank you enough. I got to hang out at the Comedy Store with Richard Pryor. Robin Williams. Sam Kinison Rodney Dangerfield so I've been in the cleavage of definitive humor. You can might think it's the lap of humor. But no, I was in the cleavage of the greatest humor in the world. Keith Mark its official, you are better than those four comedians combined.
Keith Mark 9:12
Well, I don't know about that. But I sure know we make each other laugh when we're together. Stick around, and we'll share some more laughs with Ted Nugent.
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Keith Mark 9:37
Well, let's tell another story. So you were just starting to shoot a Lumenok and we got in another tree another night that totally different trip but you You said you know what's going to happen Keith, it's going to be right at dusk in a buck is going to come out down on the bottom of that hill. And I'm going to shoot it and the Lumenok is gonna you know it's going to be perfect but he's like Ted said, there's going to be a lot of deer come through here. So we got to get set. So we get set. There's no deer. Nothing. No deer. No nothing except this one squirrel. Ted has his bow across his lap. And this one squirrel keeps coming up in the fork of a tree in front of us at about six yards, chirping. And I said, I leaned over to Ted and I said, He's taunting you. And Ted is like, you know, he's always so slow. He's like, That's his way of saying shut the EFF up, you know? And so the squirrel came back up there and I'm like, dude, you can let that scroll on to like this all night. Teddy just kind of shakes his head like shut up without turning around. But the next time the squirrel picks his head up in the view of the tree, all I see is Teddy never. He never picks his bow up. He just pulls it back ever so slowly. Only. I mean, just a small amount just enough to get the arrow off the string. And sure enough, he lets it thing go and eat 10 rings at school right out of the via that tree.
Ted Nugent 11:05
Not shoot a squirrel I see guys deer hunting and they got raccoons. And they got wood chucks and they got squirrels and skunks walking by how do you not shoot those animals? You need to shoot those animals. But what that hunt finally came to fruition was that just did dusk. This was my first kill with a lumenok which, which I was amazed because they're, they're expensive. I used to get arrows from Miller's feed store in 1958 1957 1958. Literally at the end of the deer season beautiful Port Orford, cedar arrows with real shield cut natural turkey feathers 10 cents a piece. Not so they propose this lit nock for 10 bucks or 11 bucks apiece, whatever it is. And I said well, nobody will ever buy those. Of course now these sold 7 billion incredible product. And so it was at dusk I shot that squirrel and we haven't seen a deer in the next thing we know is bucks coming straight towards us.
Keith Mark 12:08
Good Buck. Good Buck
Ted Nugent 12:11
within 20 yards and it sends to something wrong. So it turns around starts hopping with its tail up I come to full draw it stops. I'm shooting instinctive at this time without sights or anything. And through a gazillion mystica flights of the arrow I estimated properly. And it was just the perfect dusk, where the the shooting light was minimal for the camera, but plenty of visible shooting light, but it was perfect conditions when I touched off that arrow. It our dap and that lumenok literally created what looked like fireworks, like a like a lip vapor trail. And I hit that buck again, when Jesus took Toby's arrow and to stab the moose. Jesus was with us that day because he took my arrow and he stabbed that deer right through the top of the heart. And it was one of the greatest arrow moments of my life. And I've had plenty but yes, I'm glad you were there to witness that because those are those are memories that are burned in our spirit. Yep. And again, I know that people watching us right now Josh and Keith, they're already part of the spirit of the Wild backstrap brotherhood we cherish this we're passionate about it, we live it, but I would encourage if not beseech if not throttle everybody. Find someone in your life. Friends, neighbor, church, school, work, the barbecue, the bowling alley, the shooting range, find someone who is not excited about it not passionate about the shooting sports like we are, fix them. take them with you next time. Give them a lightweight, graceful bow too many guys start out with a bow that's uncomfortable to shoot and they struggle to pull it back. Charmaine kills everything with 30 pounds. A lot of people don't believe me, she kills will to beast and zebra and elk and giant deer and our dad. she kills big game constantly with 30 pound draw, and a two blade broadhead. So encourage your friends to discover this very special sensation. That is our trade. It's the mystical flight of the arrow. Give them a bow that they're comfortable with have them shoot a close range like 1215 feet, so that they discover the hand eye coordination that is the foundation of good archery. And I'm going to tell you, the more people will recruit into the conservation lifestyle, the more fortified we are against those freaks in government and media and academia in Hollywood, that are compromising hunting opportunities across this country with policies that come straight from the animal rights organizations.
Keith Mark 14:45
That's right. You know what, Ted, we're gonna take one more break and when we come back, you and I could tell the stories all day long, in fact that I had another To my mind, but we'll save it for the next time. It involved Ted going completely underwater and icy, freezing cold water And then me laughing and then him leaving me having to walk a mile back to the cabinet. Let's hear that one. No that the next time. It's a good it's a good one. But you know what, Ted, when we come back I want to talk about what you see is the future of hunting and why being part of hunter nation is so important right now. Stay tuned, we'll come right back with Ted Nugent.
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Keith Mark 15:37
Welcome back. We're with Ted Nugent. We're telling all kinds of stories. I don't even think I've scratched the surface. How about you Ted?
Ted Nugent 15:44
Not even close. I'm 72 years clean and sober. I remember everything. And I started hunting with my dad in the fall of 1949 at the age of 10 months. Now I didn't kill anything that year or in the in the next few years. But I literally have been living this hunting lifestyle my entire life and I gotta tell you, I love it and cherish it more now today as an older man than I did as a little boy and I was obsessed. Yeah, I just live with my bone arrow and my slingshot and my Daisy Red Ryder down at the rouge river on the skirts, outskirts of Detroit. And here it is 2021 I shot a beautiful axis doe with my GA Precision 308 the other night. By the way. I just want to remind everybody I've been doing this for so long. I shot a axis doe with a Remington corelock 180 grain 308 just two days ago, and it was actually November 15 1969 with the exact same ammo out of my dad's pre 64 model 70 Winchester, I shot my first whitetail deer ever on opening day of Michigan's firearms deer season. But it's important to note in 2021 that this box of Remington corelock that I bought from Luke's Corner on big bass road and Free Soil road in Lake County, in 1968 1969 was $5.95 a box. The day it's pushed in 50 bucks a box, it's insanity, thank God I got here I only have about, I only have about 250 boxes.
Keith Mark 17:28
you know, one of the cool things Ted is the fact that you know, we've told stories about you know, hunting with Toby and, and you know, Toby, and I've become good friends in our own right. I talked to Toby regularly, because he does so much stuff with you. And you know, of course I've passed this on with my kids, but I've really enjoyed watching you and my son Zack become friends. I mean, you've deer hunted, hog hunted buffalo hunted together. And then of course, you know when we're with you out on the road, because you both are guitar players to sit and watch you two guys, cotton play guitars. I mean, it's just, I mean just the community, you know, the spirituality that we you know, that we share, it's really special, really special.
Ted Nugent 18:10
It really is, you know, and there's a lot of great shared beliefs and ideologies that bond people. And I have an incredible relationship with music lovers. I mean, I I've got some guitars on standby here. 24 7 365 non stop. And your son Zack is a great Hunter. He's a great man. He's a great son, a great brother. He is a great American, and to share the lifetime passions of hunting, and rock'n'roll guitar playing. I don't I don't know if there's a more powerful bond available to mankind. But I love your son, I love your family. And your family and my family are so accurately representative of the hunting, fishing, trapping conservation families of this country. I just hope that everybody realizes that if we don't unite, and and stand up for what we already believe in, we already share these things like Zach and Toby and you and me and our families. That that's representative of whether we have a progressive Oh boy, I hate that word because they bastardize that, but an upgraded hunting, fishing, trapping lifestyle, getting rid of the arbitrary punitive and capricious and just anti hunting regulations that infest every state. But Hunter Nation, I got to tell you, anybody watching right now that isn't a member, they've got to come and join the party. They got to join the force to reckon with and share it with your friends. your buddies go to hunting camp. I got to tell you, Keith, a lot of people go well, what can we do? Everything is against us. The government's corrupt, the media's are liars, that academia are Marxists and Hollywood is completely soulless. Listen closely. First of all, be part of Hunter Nation, go to HunterNation.org and be a force to reckon with for the future have upgraded conservation rights and opportunities. But here's how you Sucker Punch, the Marxist that have taken over our country. You have to be a member of the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of America and your state Second Amendment organization. Keith, just as members, it scares the hell out of those people who are against our freedoms that are manifest in the hunting lifestyle, and certainly in the Second Amendment. So I hope people are not just nodding their heads and I know probably most of our participants here today are already smart enough and engaged and responsible enough to be NRA, GOA and state firearms members. But if if you know somebody that's not, you've got to convince them that Hunter Nation is the tip of the culture wars spear. I'm Amir, I'm a lifetime and perpetuity of Ducks Unlimited Delta waterfowl national wild turkey and quail, unlimited trout, unlimited, pheasants, forever whitetail. I help out all those organizations. But when it comes to stopping arbitrary nonsense regulations, that are reducing participation, that are reducing the voting power of the conservation families, it's really Hunter Nation. So please, everybody, be sure that you visit HunterNation.org and convince all your fellow supporters, they should be part of this crusade as well.
Keith Mark 21:32
You know what, Ted? You and I've talked about this? I mean, literally 30 years. And in my opinion, and I think you share this the two things that are ultimately if if we lose this lifestyle, it's going to be because of apathy and or infighting.
Ted Nugent 21:49
Yeah, you know, just recently, I just did a wonderful podcast called the guy still got me I think I might have lost you there. No, we got you. Do you? Okay, I got some strange thing on my screen. But I'll take their back again, but anyhow, I just did I was Sam Ayres wild initiative podcast, and he's out of Montana. And you would think Montana Okay, Big Sky Country, elk, mule deer, whitetails, black bear, grizzly bears. shiras, moose, pronghorn. bighorn sheep, mountain goats. Wow. The great pheasant, waterfowl, Hungarian Partridge, chuckers you got the greatest hunting in the world in Montana. They must be rock solid supporting their fellow hunters. heartbreak the Montana bow hunters I mean, really everybody take a deep breath and try to absorb the indecency that I'm going to convey. Montana, big tough rugged individual independent ranching farming conservation, Montana, an organization with the title Montana bow hunters, not peta not the United not the, the the anti hunting animal rights organization, an organization called the Montana bow hunters joined with the brock obama animal rights organization. Under the under the fake name of back country hunters and anglers. Literally the Montana bow hunters join forces with the brock obama anti hunting group called the hunters back country, back back country hunters and anglers and they they've stopped a loss. Really, I can't I have a difficulty saying these words they're so toxic. Montana bow hunters and back country hunters and anglers stopped the league a bill to to allow handicapped heroes of the military to hunt with a crossbow. In a state that needs more mule deer killed more whitetail killed more bears killed, more pronghorn killed more elk killed. But the Montana bow hunters in the back country hunters and anglers stopped the legalization of United States military veterans. From hunting with a crossbow. I struggle to find something more offensive, more cruel, more nasty, or soulless, then so called hunting organizations, voicing the dream of the animal rights people. It's a heartbreaking day in America when we allow this to happen.
Keith Mark 24:38
You know, I agree with you. Well, Ted, what a great What a great time we spent today. You know, obviously we haven't even scratched the surface of our stories. We haven't even got into any of the the music which I wanted to get into because, you know, one of the things that I want to do is I we've got to get Ted Nugent in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I don't believe you You want
Ted Nugent 25:00
to drive in the ultimate Rock and Roll Hall of Famer, real music lovers just love uncle Ted soundtrack.
Keith Mark 25:06
So I'm not worried about it. I know you're not buddy. But I can tell you those people that are watching on your Facebook right now and I know everybody I talked to talk about what a travesty it is, you know, my, my son had the opportunity to visit with James Hetfield from Metallica. And, of course, James knew, you know, our relationship. And he, one of the first things that he said is that what a joke, and these are Rock and Roll Hall of Fame individual saying the same thing. What a joke, you know, and so I know you won't say it. I know you don't gauge your success or your I mean, you know, you know how good you are. You don't need the affirmation of that. But I can tell you as a fan of music fan, as a personal friend, I know there's a lot of people out there that share my thoughts that Ted Nugent needs to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or just do away with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So that's my soapbox. But anyway, buddy, I enjoy all the time we spend together. I love our daily phone calls. I thoroughly love Spirit of the Wild. So for those folks that, hey, maybe don't know where they can find spirit of the wild. Where do they see it? When do they see it?
Ted Nugent 26:13
Well, I gotta tell you, Keith, we just wrapped up to 500th episode that's 500 episodes of Ted Nugent spirit of the wild that's been running for 31 years. We started on public television back in 1980. Before there was an outdoor channel, so we've been on outdoor channel three times a week, every week and get that some of the highest ratings in the history of outdoor television. But if I'm not mistaken, I know Jackie Bushman has been around a long time. But did he start before 1990? Because we've got over 500 episodes of Spirit of a Wild and we started on public television. So I want to thank everybody, for all these years of support and celebrating that we don't produce Spirit of the Wild. We just push the record button. I start sharing my spirit campfire with everybody because it's raw, it's down to earth is grounded his scientific base. It's fun, if spork it's meat, and it's all trophy experiences in life. So if I may, to wrap up the conversation, I thought I would play a little love music that would inspire some backstrap
so everybody, have a great, great spring a great, great summer and get ready for the greatest hunting season of your life. That's what I have planned. God bless you, Keith, you are my blood brother Josh. I love you, buddy. God bless the Mark family. And God bless all the hunting fishing trapping families in America. Be sure you remember the NRA gun owners of America, your state Second Amendment organization and be sure you put your pressure on your elected employees to get rid of any hunting regulations that aren't sound science based. We need to open up the floodgates to let people feel the Spirit of the Wild
Keith Mark 28:40
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Episode 3 & 4 featuring Keith Warren
Keith Mark 0:00
This week's guest is one of the most prolific outdoor television hosts of all time. He's certainly one of the most controversial which, quite frankly, I don't understand and we'll get into that with him and maybe he can explain it. And if you hunt whitetail deer, you'll want to stick around because you're going to hear some news that he has with regard to CWD. That's coming up right now.
Right On The Mark 0:24
Right On The Mark. Episode Three, featuring Keith Warren, recorded May of 2021 starts right now.
He is hunted all across America and around the world. rifle, pistol, shotgun, crossbow compound traditional, he uses them all. He's an outfitter, an award winning outdoor television host and founder of America's only organization fighting to protect every hunters lifestyle. He's brash, he's bold, he's humorous, and a bit hothead. But when it comes to all things God, Family, Country and Hunting. He's Keith mark, and he's Right On The Mark.
Keith Mark 1:08
Hi, this is Keith, Mark, and welcome back to another Right On The Mark podcast and my sidekick Josh Ishmael with me and Josh, you know, I've got to tell you, I'm a little giddy today. And I'm going to reveal a little personal story that, you know, the viewers might think, Oh, my gosh, what a groupie, but I don't really care. You know, many years ago, when I had the opportunity to do outdoor television, of course, I knew Ted Nugent, it was Ted that got me on Outdoor Channel. And I got invited to the very first producer summit, that I as host of MacMillan River Adventures was going to go to and my wife Jeannie joined me, and I told her, I said, you know, there's only one person that I hope is here, I want to meet this one person. And it was the guy that I watched every Sunday morning, as we were getting ready to go to church. He was my favorite personality on The Outdoor Channel, Keith Warren. And man, we got Keith today. How exciting is over.
Josh Ishmael 2:04
For Sure. And he's been doing this since three years before I was born.
Keith Mark 2:07
Yeah, exactly. Well, Keith actually was an apprentice under Joseph when Jesus came on board there. So. And you know, Keith has been in this business a long time. And I'll tell you, and this is the greatest part of when I got to meet Keith Warren. So we did this producer summit and I looked across the room and there was Keith and his beautiful wife. And, you know, he was just sitting there intently taking notes and chimed in appropriately, you know, and then there were some other folks from Outdoor Channel on there. And now, Josh, you've had the opportunity to go to many of these producer summits after this one. And you know, there's that crowd, you know, and I won't mention them, but the viewers and listeners they know, Keith very unassuming. And when the when the summit was over, or the first break or however it went down. I waited by the door and Keith walked out. And I said, Hey, Keith, my name is Keith Mark, and I'm going to be doing a brand new show on outdoor channel called MacMillan River Adventures. I love your show. And I'll tell you, Keith, he stood there, and he told me everything that most of the other producers would never share. He was given me information about sponsors and how to do the show. I mean, he was I mean, Keith was a prince of a guy from the minute I met him. And so when you think about it, when you have kind of like a guy you idolize, be careful when you get to meet them, because they may be completely opposite of what they portray on TV. Well, that was not the case with Keith Warren. He was a great guy. And I think you my listeners out there, some of you that don't know Keith Warren, stick around, because not only is that he's a great guy, he's unafraid. He'll take on the most controversial topics. And and he'll give it to you both barrels, you know, Josh, so I'm excited to have him on
Josh Ishmael 3:53
No, me too. He pulls no punches, that's for sure. And to say he's almost controversial in our hunting industry, to be a true statement.
Keith Mark 4:00
And it's a shame really, because, you know, he, his views are not really controversial. They're just pro hunting. They're pro conservation. They're pro America. And you know, to those folks that think those things are controversial. That's why God gave us two middle fingers. And when we get Keith Warren on, that'll give us six between the three of us so stick around. I've got my now great friend, incredible outdoor personality. Friend of everything that's outdoors. Keith Warren is coming right up.
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Keith Mark 4:49
Welcome back to Right On The Mark podcast and with no further ado, I want to welcome my good friend Keith Warren. Keith, welcome to Right On The Mark.
Keith Warren 5:00
It's good to be here. It's good to talk to you. And I'm excited about every day in my life. You know, I wake up and I think, you know, today's a special day because it's the first day of the rest of my life, what can I do to make it special not just for me, but for our country. And so I kind of live that way. And so it's good to talk to you.
Keith Mark 5:19
You know what, Keith, I don't know if you could hear the open. But I tell this story every time I'm with you around your when I know you're in the audience. But, boy, when I first started doing outdoor television, you were the one person that I wanted to meet more than anybody else. Do you remember that first meeting?
Keith Warren 5:38
I remember it like it was yesterday. And I and I, Keith you know, the thing about it is I was told a long time ago, treat people the way you want to be treated. And, you know, always be true to yourself. Don't try to be something that you're not. And you know that there and I've always tried to be that, you know, I've always tried to be who I am and you know, I just look at I think that the very first one of those outdoor channel things that I went to I'll be honest with you, I went to it now, it was a big letdown for me. And the reason why is because these guys that I've watched on television and stuff, they were like nothing like what I expected. It was a matter of fact it was it was almost like God bless. Want to check your ego at the door. You know, I mean, I look at it. I think we're that I'm afraid somebody's gonna wake up realize I get paid to do this. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. guys in the world. Yeah. Well,
Keith Mark 6:34
you know what, Keith, you've done over 1300 outdoor show episodes. Is that true?
Keith Warren 6:42
Yeah, that's true. I think there's more than anybody. I mean, I don't I don't keep track. Be honest with you. But that's a I mean, I haven't gone off the air since 1984.
Josh Ishmael 6:52
So it's like Jesus, Jack Brittingham and Keith Warren are not the same.
Keith Mark 6:58
Yeah, you know, 1300 episodes, Keith. And for those people that don't do outdoor television and have never done it, but enjoy watching it like that, that is quite a feat. Because not only do you have to go on 1300 hunts and then some to get the footage that you need to produce 1300 shows, you actually have to produce 1300 shows, which is an easy and so I mean, that is an incredible testament, not only to your longevity, but just to your talent.
Keith Warren 7:32
Well, thank you, but I look at as successful people, whether you're successful in, in a matter of in sports, or music, or whatever you're successful in every successful person have I know, shares one thing, and it's passion, they have passion for whatever it is that they do. And it's that passion that helps drive them up the mountain when everybody else is going to quit. And it's that passion that no matter how tough times get, you know what, you still make it and so, you know, I think I'm fortunate to have passion. I mean, there's a lot of people that don't, but passion is one of those things that you can't get it from somebody else, you've got to give it to yourself. And you were doing 52 weeks a year.
Yeah, sure, wass.
Keith Mark 8:19
You know, the thing that I loved about your, the thing I loved about your show, Keith was that you were the one person that if I was going to be in a boat with for a whole day fishing trip, I the way you portrayed your show, it was you, you know if I was going to sit in a deer stand or a duck blind or, you know, go on a pheasant hunt, whatever it was, I mean, your personality is such as your you come across as that person people would want to hunt with and that's the way I always enjoyed your shows. And I'm sure I'm not alone, I bet you get and have got over the years tons of emails and letters from people that watch your show and just said, Man, I feel like I know you.
Keith Warren 9:01
Well, that's the truth. I mean, I have guys come walking up to me the airport or you know, in a store, whatever that man, I grew up watching you. It's like I've known you all my life and I think I want to be you know, I'm straight up man. I'm gonna tell somebody the way I feel if they ask for my opinion, okay, I'll tell them and whether they like or not, they asked and for the most part, you know, and now an outdoor world I mean, we all consume media differently now than what we did when I started in 1984. Back then, you know, there was a way of network television and cable was just kind of getting started and all and and now take a look at it. Nobody had internet back then there was no such thing as Facebook and Instagram and digital media. And so things have just changed a lot and hunters have changed a lot and and our society has changed a lot and but the thing about it the core values of being an American and being patriotic and in true I think though those core values, they still should hold true, but unfortunately, we live in a world but it's like, people live behind these keyboards and they're 10 foot tall and bulletproof bullies and they say stuff online that they would never ever say to your face. And it's a shame and I want it and I'll tell somebody something to their face just as much. I'll tell it to them online. And I'll back it up, you know, and it's like, I'm not asking for a metal. I'm just saying that Wait a minute, I'm going to be authentic to myself, and, and to everybody else.
Keith Mark 10:31
Well, and I want to get into some of the, what some people would say would be the controversies around Keith Warren. But before we do, and before we leave this segment, all the times that I watched you, one of the principal messages that you always gave is that we must pass this lifestyle, this hunting, fishing, trapping outdoor lifestyle on to the next generation and man Oh, man, have you done that successfully? How much fun is it now that you have your daughter Matti on the on the show with you?
Keith Warren 11:04
It's so fun. I mean, my little girl was like the, she doesn't remember first hunting trip just like I don't remember mine. I mean, she was a little pup just like as she grew up with a gun in her hand, you know, she can, she can now shoot most guys. And she, she's, she doesn't want to be quote one of those pretty faces on television. She wants to be somebody that that that helps more people enjoy the outdoors. You know, I tell people you know, I'm not I'm not an expert in anything. I'm pretty good at a lot of stuff. I'm kind of like the multi tool, you know, I can shoot a bow pretty good. I can shoota gun pretty good. You know, I can I can do it. And Maddie is pretty good at it. I told her I said maybe you don't have to be the best. But you have to give it your best at whatever it is you do. And so if we if I take her out where we're bait and trot lines and catching catfish, or whether we're hunting your, you know, nutria rats or shooting prairie dogs, it doesn't matter. I mean, we're gonna have fun, whatever we're doing, because, hey, we want to pass this on to future generations.
Keith Mark 12:03
You know what, Keith, I do want to get into some of the controversies. But I'm very excited to have you on today because you have some news. You know, you've got some information on a very hot topic in the deerr world, CWD, and you're going to share that with us. And so I encourage my viewers to keep listening. When we come back. We're gonna visit with Keith Warren and and talk about CWD a little bit later. Come right back, we'll be here.
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Keith Mark 12:58
Alright, Keith, you know, people like to say keep Warren's controversial, you were on, you've been on many networks, I shared the outdoor channel with you for a while then you left the outdoor channel, you had some principles you thought hunting ought to be portrayed in a certain way you wouldn't compromise. You believe hunting is inclusive, not exclusive. And that's kind of branded, controversial. So let's talk about that.
Keith Warren 13:28
I've always been a believer that I support all forms of hunting period, if it's legal, and ethical. I'm going to support it. Whether I do it or not, doesn't matter. I believe that all hunters have a common thread that we need to look for that common thread that unites us all. With there's something special about being a hunter, we are the minority We are the We Are we have to realize that and we have to realize that we live in a world of soft people that, that look at us as being like, I mean, being weird. And I guess we are weird because we're connected to nature. And it's this connection to nature that connects us to our families and our loved ones and that we can't wait to go we're weird, man. Weird. Yeah, we had I mean, we've we live we don't live in a virtual world, we live in reality. And so what I've always done is I've always supported all forms of hunting period. And and in many people in our industry, their legal products or books, or they shoot archery or they shoot, you know, whatever it is they do. And I understand that, but you know what, that I look at it, I do it all. And I mean, I do it do it all because I love it all. And I want to encourage people to get out and do it all. And so that's one thing I've always done. It's like, you know, like the crossbow ban the crossbow years ago. It was such No hot topic I thought you know some I wanted to shoot one cuz I've never shot one before shot up but dang This is cool. This is really cool. So I started using on TV and man I started catching crap. Oh my god, you know why would you do that is if not archery gear you know but but it's cool. Yeah but it's not archery gear and then all of a sudden now advanced 25 years later and every manufacturer every archery manufacturers got a crossbow. Now don't wonder what that's about?
Keith Mark 15:29
Well think about this and I've said this forever, Keith, that the two things that are going to kill our hunting lifestyle is infighting and apathy. You know, the bow hunters fight and the crossbow hunters fight and the rifle hunters who fight the muzzleloader hunters who fight the long range hunters, you know, or, you know, they just they don't go vote. They don't they don't voice their opinion regarding how cool our lifestyle really is. And one of the things that just drives me completely crazy, is that when some hunter tells another Hunter, that he's not a real Hunter, because he doesn't hunt exactly the way the hunter voicing the opinion hunts. And that is just that's the kiss of death in my opinion.
Keith Warren 16:17
Here's the most arrogant, stupid thing I've ever heard. It's like, give me a break. I'd love for her. I'd love for somebody to come up to me and tell me I'm not a real Hunter. It's like really? Have you ever crawled up the side of a mountain slept inside of mountain for four nights in a row to kill a dall sheep? Hmm, I have is that a real hunter? I guess not. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like, wait a minute. As a hunter we all choose. I mean, if you want a mule deer hunt or antelope hunt, you want to drive around with truck all day and you see one you smokem, good for you. I'm glad you're a hunter. Right? Okay, I want more people hunting.
Keith Mark 16:53
That campfire needs to be inclusive. because like you said earlier, we're the minority. And if we allow these anti hunters and make no mistake about it, they they support and breed this infighting in our own industry. And they just sit back and laugh because as we carve out and dismiss segments of our own hunting population, it's the anti hunters that win I'll tell you a story. Keith, Shawn, and I did a show down in Texas at a and I made it a high fence operation. We took a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient with us, who had had both of his legs, lost both of his legs in service. It was his first hunt since he went through his rehabilitation. He was going through an incredibly tough time mentally and physically. And we aired that show. And I'll tell you he told the story of of the fateful day when he sustained his injuries and just his heroic efforts that led to him getting that Medal of Honor pinned on his chest. And when we aired that show, believe it or not, Keith, we got emails from hunters that just vilified the show. How dare us hunt high fence. And that's not real hunting. And I thought to myself, who in the world would come face to face to this kid who gave so much for this country and tell him he wasn't a real hunter? Because he hunted inside of a fence? What's your thought on that?
Keith Warren 18:31
It's It's sad. It's sad that some hunter thinks that they are going to be the authority, the mean, they're going to be the police. I'm telling us what's right and what's wrong. I think you know what, thank God, we're Americans. And thank God we're able to we're free to be able to make our own choices. While somebody may want to convertible somebody may want to hardtop with somebody, it's like, come on. Come on. They can both be sports cars, can't they? I mean, it's it's like I look at the I look at hunters and I think hunters embrace one another. That's reason why when Hunter Nation started us like it's about time, okay, somebody needs to look across and say, wait a minute, we're all one big family and we need to support embrace one another. It's thought the bitching back and forth about how somebody does something. And so, you know, I'm just, I'm frustrated because I don't know how to get hunters to realize that you know what, we're, we're we're the ones that are hurting ourselves more than the antis. antis, we're sitting back loving what they're seeing now. Yes. Okay. And so what we got to do is we got to unify, and it worked towards it. And that's what I've tried to do my entire career.
Keith Mark 19:46
Yes. And as you know, me as well, and there is hope, Keith because, and I had conversations with you early on when I had the idea of and started forming the group, Hunter Nation and Hunter Nation. As you well know has grown into a force. Hunter nation was the organization that sued the state of Wisconsin to get wolves to be managed, which meant to have a wolf hunting season. And of course, they fought us and we had to win it up at the appellate courts. But the end result was that Hunter Nations efforts got a wolf hunting season. This past season in Wisconsin, in 72 hours, we killed roughly 112 115 wolves, which in turn is going to save 4,200 deer that there will be a surplus of that number of deer and the deer woods in Wisconsin. This coming deer season and and you know Hunter Nation, we went down into Georgia where they were trying to ban bow hunting and Michael Waddell his own home county and we showed up at the City Council level down there and beat that back. We're in a fight and Virginia right now, on the issue of predator management. And Keith, this is right up your alley. We recently were in a fight in Montana, Montana, Keith of all states. There was a bill up there in the legislature that was going to allow disabled Montanans to hunt with a crossbow during archery season, and that would include disabled veterans, and guess, Keith, who opposed the use of crossbows in Montana during archery season. Well, I won't even let you guess because I'm going to tell you, there was just a handful of organizations led by Back Country Hunters and Anglers which our good friend Ted Nugent calls them the backstabbing hunters and anglers, and the trout Association. I'm not even sure what the trout boys what interest they had and whether crossbows are used or not. But I'll just mark that off as an now anomaly. I don't know. But also wait for it drum roll. The Montana Bow Hunters Association Keith fought tooth and nail to prevent disabled people from using a crossbow in Montana.
What's your thoughts on them? Shame, shame, shame on them. It's like, Who the hell it makes them the authority to be able to do that. If I lost a leg or if I had a son or a friend or somebody that was handicapped, that that's the way that they wanted to hunt. Why not? Right? Okay. It's just these people think they think they're the authority that they can say, No, you can do it this way. Or you can't do it this way. And I think who may I mean, what they must believe their own premises all I can say, well, they're
they're the same people. These are the same people that fought when compound bows came into being. These are the same people that said when we went from 65 pound lead off to 85 pound lead off that you got to put an asterisk on those records. I mean, these are if they are true, elitist. These are people that think the way they do it is the only way to do it. Which, you know, when I was at church this last Sunday, and I looked around the pews, I saw people of all different colors, shapes, sizes, and men and women. I didn't see a whole bunch of genders which apparently people were saying there's a lot of different genders. I only saw men and women but I did see different shapes, sizes and colors. Um, but in any event, I mean, to think otherwise, that this shouldn't be inclusive. What a bunch of smug elitist, fill in the blank. Well, we're out of time for this episode, but Keith is agreed to stick around for more because we still need to hear what he has to say about CWD. So if you want to get updated on everything that is new with regard to CWD, come right back for part two of our talk with Keith Warren right here on Right On The Mark.
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Keith Mark 0:00
This week we're going to pick up where we left off with my good friend and one of my favorite all time outdoor television host Keith Warren, who's the host, and producer of The High Road. Think about it. Keith has produced more than 1,300 outdoor television shows. That's incredible. Well, I have a few questions for him and he's going to update us on the brand new news about CWD. Stay tuned Right On The Mark.
Josh Ishmael 0:28
Right On The Mark. Episode Four, featuring Keith Warren, recorded May of 2021 starts right now.
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Keith Mark 1:13
Oh, well, welcome back to Right On The Mark with Keith Warren. And Josh every week he likes to ask our guests some questions. But before we get to Josh, I actually have a couple of other points I want to get with you, Keith. Number one, you know, we were talking about the infighting and you thought that the need for unity and of course, I believe Hunter Nation is is the answer to that problem that the way to unify the American hunter and those of you that are listening if you don't know about Hunter Nation, or if you want to know more about Hunter Nation, go to HunterNation.org, HunterNation.org It is truly the organization out there that's in the trenches on the frontlines defending our hunting freedoms, our hunting rights, our hunting lifestyle, so please check out HunterNation.org All right, before I let Josh ask questions, Keith. Where did the name The High Road cake come from? That was one of my questions. Oh, was it? Okay good. Oh, my goodness. Well, you know what a Keith. I'm going to turn it over to Josh he seems to have a few questions. One of them I might even be in
Josh Ishmael 2:19
Couln't have said that better myself Keith. Keith Warren go ahead and answer that for me.
Keith Warren 2:25
Should I answer that question.
Josh Ishmael 2:27
Yes, please. But directed toward Josh not Keith.
Keith Warren 2:31
Okay. All right. So Josh, you know, you know, everybody, you know, when you were growing up, he knew right from wrong, right. And you make decisions. Anyway. It's like, what you take on the high road in life is something that I've always tried to do. It's something that it's hard to do a lot of times, but it is always the right thing to do. Taking the low road is something that's easy. It's it's something that slackers do. It's something that people to make excuses to, and I don't make excuses. I want to set my goals high. And I say, you know, what, I want the show to be called the high road because I want to be able to say, you know what, we all need to take the high road in life, whether it's home, whether it's at work, whether it's in the woods, we all need to take the high road. And and it's hard to do. And so, you know, I just, it's a reminder for me every day to Hey, let's take the high road.
Josh Ishmael 3:31
No, I like it as a great answer for sure. Okay. My first question, I guess now, thanks, Keith. With all the travels you've done across the world, and the tundra, and the Arctic and Mexico, what is there anything left on your bucket list still?
Keith Warren 3:45
Oh, I just want to go I mean, I there's nothing really on my bucket list. Now. I just like going I don't care whether I'm shooting prairie dogs in Kansas or I'm hunting, you know, grizzly bears on the tundra. I just like to go
Josh Ishmael 4:03
follow up a man is what's your most memorable hunt ever?
Keith Warren 4:10
Probably one of them. I guess. The most recent one, I did a desert Bighorn hunt down in Mexico. My daughter was with me. And I've never gone for I'd seen desert Bighorn before but never had a permit. And so anyway, I did that this last December and I shot a ten and a half year old RAM and she was right next to me. And after a shot it took an hour and a half to get up to it is pretty pretty butt kicking and I got about 50 yards from it. She said Daddy, let me carry my rifle. I said over my dead body. You're not carrying my rifle. we're gone. We're going up there together and getting that bad boy off the mountain. So that was one of my most memorable, memorable hunts ever.
Keith Mark 4:53
Keith That actually sounds like real hunting.
Keith Warren 4:57
Yeah, imagine that.
Josh Ishmael 5:01
All right, last one. You do a lot of obviously work with deer, what would be the most important thing you can tell the average Joe to make their whitetails have a bigger rack.
Keith Warren 5:14
discipline, don't shoot them. In other words, if you want them to get bigger, you better let them get older. Most of the around the country are no older than two and a half to three and a half years old, many parts unfortunately, they're not even no older than a year and a half. But if you can give a deer you know till four and a half, five and a half years old, regardless where he lives, as long as you got groceries, he's gonna be pretty doggone big. Thank you.
Keith Mark 5:42
You know what, Keith? I'm going to chime in with two points. Number one, you missed a heck of an opportunity because almost every single guest we have when Josh asked him what's on their bucket list. They seem to all say a large Alaska Yukon moose up in the Yukon with Keith Mark of MacMillan River. So Keith, I appreciate you not just pandering for the free hunt up there.
Keith Warren 6:03
I can still go home with that is is when you kill one. Yeah,
Keith Mark 6:13
exactly. Well, we were hunting with Donald Trump Jr. A few years back. And Donald Trump Jr. Saw a monster moose and he wanted to chase it way off the river. And he ended up shooting the moose about a mile off of the river against my best advice. And as soon as the moose dropped, I looked right at him and said, I hate you. Because we knew how the pack was gonna be. But thank goodness we had Josh with this because he's like a living camera man. mule. I mean, he's a, he's a pack. He's a pack and fool. Before we go to the final break, Keith, I did want to bring up another topic. You and I both are involved with an incredible charitable organization, the outdoor adventure foundation that offers outdoor hunting opportunities to veterans who've lost a limb and active service, and young people that are, you know, battling a challenging life threatening injury. And I don't know not to speak for you. But that's some of the most rewarding times of field that I've spent with those people.
Keith Warren 7:21
It is, you know, I wound up years ago, I started doing that. And when I did it with you years ago, you're the one right,
Keith Mark 7:29
I think Brian Solum up there. And
Keith Warren 7:35
I was I was often asked, Why don't I ever do a television show just specifically about that? I said I can't. And people said, Well, how come I mean, I love watching the show where you know that it was very uplifting about this or that? And I said, because I I don't, I don't want to become numb to these people's problems, right? In other words, it is so is so sobering to see families with children that are that have got these issues that it's just they don't know if the child's gonna be around them or not. You know it, you know, or being with a veteran that their skin so burned, that they don't even look like a human and think how do they have such a great outlook on life, right. And I didn't want to have myself numbed down because of too much exposure to that. And so I don't know how the guys that outdoor adventure foundation can do it, they do a phenomenal job. I mean, and my hat's off to him, and I support him in a huge way. But oh my gosh, the day that it is not touching my heart, my feelings to be around those people's day, I'm going to walk away from it. And I hope that never happens because they need our help.
Keith Mark 8:44
I agree with you. And you know the story I told you earlier Keith about the veteran that got the negative emails. Some months after we aired that show, we got a just a sad call from his wife, he had been battling you know, post traumatic stress and, and and he, he took his own life. And so you know, although the hunt was very rewarding, it's it's very hard when you get that call. And right here in our shop where Josh and I are right now we have a picture of a little girl we did an elk hunt with and, you know, unfortunately, some time it passed after we did the hunt and aired this wonderful television show with her and her family that you know, we got the call from her dad, you know when they tell you that, you know they didn't make it. And so selfishly I'm like you that's one of the reasons why we don't do it every weekend. Because I I just can't I you know, I don't have the mental makeup and the emotional makeup to keep doing it. But I'll tell you what, it's it's the most rewarding thing that I think I've ever been involved in, in outdoor television and really in hunting is to take those folks out on these on these adventures. So hats off to Brian Solum in the Outdoor Adventure Foundation.
Josh Ishmael 9:57
And Keith won't say this but Keith actually Bought Gracie that hunt with his own money at the auction in North Dakota. And we went up and filmed her shoot that giant giant elk in North Dakota up there. He bought it with his own money donated or anything he personally bought wrote the check for it. So she could come up and then I think did an outdoor adventure get it taxidermy for Yeah, yeah,
Keith Mark 10:19
it was it was quite It was quite an adventure. And I know Keith, you do similar things. And so I just I knew we shared that in common the outdoor adventure foundation. So I think it's outdoor adventure foundation. OutdoorAdventureFoundation.org
Check it out. OutdoorAdventureFoundation.org. And that's another great organization. So please stick around. We're going to come right back. And you're going to tell our folks about CWD.
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Keith Mark 10:59
Welcome back to Right On The Mark and my guest today is none other than outdoor legend. And my buddy Keith Warren. Keith, you know, I know you don't blow your own horn on this topic. But there's very few people in America that are as expert as you are when it comes to deer, deer management, the issues surrounding deer and deer herds and the hottest topic that you hear in every deer hunting camp is CWD and you have some information for us so what's what's the latest buddy?
Keith Warren 11:37
Okay, so real quick just to let you know that you know, I'm kind of go against the grain on many things. I believe in standing up for what I believe in. And 12 years ago, I started a TV show a deer farming TV show. And the reason why is because I am a deer farmer and I thought deer farmers were getting a bad rap. I thought that there were a lot of untruth being said about deer farming. And I thought you know what, it's kind of a little niche deal, but I think I think it would work in a neat way. 12 years later. Here we are. And I raised big deer, lots of big deer and I help people raise big deer healthy deer. And I have taken ridicule from a lot of the fire chasers I call it you know the people that don't like high fences, they may not like deer farming, but guess what they sure like looking at big deer and know what it takes to get raise big deer. And so anyway, this TV show deer while our stories were very successful, and consequently, I've met some really good people. And it's important to point out that Chronic Wasting Disease, although it's been around, they found over 50 years ago in Colorado, Chronic Wasting Disease. It is a serious disease. It's a disease but it's something that I think has been logically a fake news and I think that they have driven constellation disease into something that is dividing hunters and is ultimately hunting, hurting hunting. But deer farmers are helping and I think that everyone needs to realize what's going on. Imagine if there was a test where they could take a deer and they could see it was a susceptibility test. For example, wildlife departments have often said was this overcrowding of deer in these areas is causing CWD. There's all these things that are causing CWD. Truth matters. There's lots of things that get caused CWD to spread around the country and the biggest thing is people, okay, because people will take a CWD infected deer, they don't have any IDs infected, they'll take it from the place they shot it to their home, guess what? They get transferred those prions to their home. Their home could be in Wisconsin or Georgia or someplace else. And for that reason now there are laws prohibiting the transportation of animals across state lines coming from the CWD state, it is illegal to take an animal with a spinal cord in the brain from Texas into Louisiana or Texas, Oklahoma because Texas now CWD state, and it's happening all over the place, but imagine if there was a test where you can take and he could see a genetically if there was an animal that was more or less susceptible to CBD. Well, there is and it is available right now. And what's happening is deer breeders are taking and we are breeding CWD susceptability out of our herds for amazing CWD is it CWD was so prevalent and so horrible in Colorado, Wyoming where it was first found over 50 years ago, and it's going to kill everything is going to be so bad. Can you answer your question? Why do we still have hunting season in those areas?
Keith Mark 14:34
Keith Warren 14:37
It's not as bad as what they said. But they're trying to they're trying to divide and i think that's that's what a lot of unfortunately, people in government the wildlife agencies do. They divide people. And so deer farming is a place that research is being done. It is this research is being done on deer farms. It cannot be done out in the wild. They couldn't ever test animals in the wild. But every single deer that dies on deer farm is tested for Chronic Wasting Disease. Every single one of them we know, we know genetically what they have. And the science has been funded by the deer farmers through the North American deer registry and this information is it's groundbreaking for CWD. Because if indeed CWD is such a horrible problem is some people say and even some organizations are saying, then guess what? If the deer breeders breed CWD out of their herd, Hmm, maybe someday the all the places are gonna have to start buying deer from deer breeders because they are not susceptible to CWD anymore. What do you think about that? Wow, turns of tables. Yeah, does
Keith Mark 15:45
Groundbreaking Keith. And you know, when you think about that, you know, these people that are always negative high fence negative deer breeders, for what are they gonna say when the deer breeders from high fence operation solve this CWD problem?
Keith Warren 16:01
Hmm. Well, it's not going to get solved from the walleye people because they're not doing any testing and research on it. Okay, that was the research taken they can do on the open range. I mean, come on. I mean, the coyotes are gonna eat animals before they get to the buzzards, you're not gonna they're not they're gonna vaporizes what I say, right, when they die in a captive breeding situation, we can test every single one of them. And that's exactly what's being done. And this this information is being gathered off a deer farms, those being shared with wildlife agencies that help make better management decisions for all deer hunters, no matter where they come.
Keith Mark 16:38
Wow. Okay, Keith. So how do our listeners stay up with what you've got going? What's your social handle website? Where can they see your show?
Keith Warren 16:47
I mean, you're gonna ask, if Mattie is with me, she can tell you. We got a pretty good YouTube channel, it's got over half a million subscribers on it on Keith Warrne hunting, and we've got like 12 or 1300 videos on there. I mean, a bunch of them. And, of course, you can find us on YouTube, you can go to HighRoadHunting.com. And that's our website. And you can catch me on Facebook is get on Facebook, Keith Warren and get a hold of me. I've always told people you know, if you take the time to watch our show, I appreciate it. If you take the time to write to me, I will get back with you. It may take me a week or two or three. But I will get back with you. I give you my word.
Keith Mark 17:35
Well, you know what, Keith, you're a great guy. It was a just an unbelievable pleasure to get to meet you for the first time many years ago. And it's just been an honor to become friends and share stories and hunting camps and all kinds of stuff with you since then. So I'll definitely keep telling everyone I know to turn on the high road and I'm gonna ask you to make sure you let all your people know about Hunter Nation at HunterNation.org. And between the two of us maybe we can do a small part in saving this perfect hunting lifestyle.
Keith Warren 18:07
Sounds like a plan to me, man. All right,
Keith Mark 18:09
Keith. Thanks for joining us. Stick around. We have a quick close to the Right On The Mark podcast and we'll be back right after this. Thanks, Keith.
Keith Warren 18:19 Thank you, bye bye.
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Keith Mark 18:33
Wow, that's kind of cool. Josh get to kind of spend a little time with my buddy Keith Warren. How about that,
Josh Ishmael 18:40
no doubt. And he's a wealth of knowledge and knew he had so many projects in the pipeline.
Keith Mark 18:44
Well, listen, I mean, he's a guy that's been around forever. He's a guy that's not afraid to say what he thinks he's not afraid to put other hunters back a step by saying hey, look, don't be an elitist, be inclusive, not exclusive. I just love the guy and, you know, he's never shied away from crossbows or high fence or deer breeding. I mean, he's exactly what our hunting industry needs right now is a unifier. Not a divider, right?
Josh Ishmael 19:10
Just like he said, if it's legal, and it's ethical, then it's okay.
Keith Mark 19:14
Well, wait a minute. I'm looking. It's looks like we're getting an email in here. Well, I think our next guest has just volunteered. We have a Dr. Anthony Fauci, Dr. Anthony Fauci wants to come on, Right On The Mark to talk about masking deer and social distancing of deer to prevent CWD, what do you think of that? Josh?
Josh Ishmael 19:39
COVID of the deer woods
Keith Mark 19:40
why Anthony found you. I would love to have him on because, you know, I mean, true. Nobody likes to hear himself talk more than that guy. So and you know, he's, well, we won't go real deep in that. But yeah, he probably knows as much about CWD as he knows about the Chinese panda virus too. So I don't know.
Josh Ishmael 20:00
Yeah, well, Keith, I mean, like he said he was a controversial guy because of the high fence and, but he's hunted with literally everything air bows, air guns. I saw him yesterday hunt with a crossbow, the head, a six bolt magazine is Keith. If it's out there, he uses it. And I love it,
Keith Mark 20:18
you know, and I remember I was with actually with Keith one time and he put a video out and you'll remember this, it was a bunch of pigs crossing a road. And Keith just laid them all down, you know, I mean, all shapes all sizes. And you know, and there was people that wrote in and just says, How dare you shoot little pigs? and Keith just said, Well, first of all, you know, we are managing the pig population here in Texas. It's legal, it was ethical. And they utilize the the fruits of their labor. And you know, he just was unapologetic. And I guess that's why I love the guy
Josh Ishmael 20:52
as he should be. I mean, sometimes it isn't hunting. It's it's, you're you're taking the pigs out because you have to that's right
Keith Mark 20:59
predator management, almost any Texas it's like that. So Well listen, if you believe that the hunting world needs to unify and fight to protect these rights, then check out HunterNation.org because that's the organization for you. It's obviously the organization for me. Give them a look, you know, they're doing some amazing things. And if you come back next time, we'll have another great guest will share hunting stories on Right On The Mark.
Josh Ishmael 21:27
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Episode 5 & 6 featuring Mark "OZ" Geist
Keith Mark 0:01
You know, just on a personal note, I've always been a big fan of the US military. My father is buried in the military cemetery in Fort Leavenworth. You know, I was taught from before I even knew I was being taught that when the flag appeared to put your hand over your heart, honor the veterans of the US military and certainly honor and revere those heroes that died to protect our freedom and my next guest happens to be one of my best friends in the world. Mark OZ Geist, you know him as one of those incredible secret soldiers from being kasi as part of the 13 hours and Benghazi a book that mark co wrote it's Michael Bay made a movie about it's just incredible. And Mark stories about Benghazi. Well, they're spellbinding and there's so much more to Mark Geist than just that 13 hour saga to learn more about Benghazi and just more about Mark OZ Geist stay tuned because he's my guest. This week on Right On The Mark.
Right On The Mark 1:05
On The Mark Episode Five part one of two featuring Benghazi hero Mark OZ Geist recorded may of 2021 starts right now.
He has hunted all across America and around the world. rifle, pistol, shotgun, crossbow compound traditional, he uses them all. He's an outfitter, an award winning outdoor television host and founder of America's only organization fighting to protect every hunters lifestyle. He's brash, he's bold, he's humorous, and a bit hothead. But when it comes to all things, God family, country and hunting. He's Keith mark, and he's Right On The Mark.
Keith Mark 1:51
Well, welcome back to Right On The Mark. And man, am I excited today, my guest is not only a true American hero, distinguished author in his own right. And a great guy and I'm proud to say a very good friend of mine. Welcome, Mark OZ Geist. Hey, Mark.
Mark OZ Geist 2:09
Hey, Keith how are you doing today?
Keith Mark 2:11
You know what, I'm doing pretty good for an old guy. And I it's exciting that I get to talk to you here on the podcast, because, you know, you and I probably talk on the phone daily. So I'm hoping to give the folks listening today just a little taste of how entertaining Mark OZ Geist really is. So feel free to let it rip today. You know, for people listening in, I think they all recognize the name OZ, Mark OZ Geist because of your Benghazi fame? Is that probably how you're most recognized now?
Mark OZ Geist 2:48
I you know, I think so. And I mean, kind of had to run with it when that's what I was called overseas. At least one of the names I was told overseas, there's probably several others. depends on which side of which side of the rifle you were on which one that might be but yeah, it pretty much is what what I most people call the me. So the first thing they asked you, I told you, I call me mark. I'm gonna you know, I've said this a million times, just don't call me late for dinner.
Keith Mark 3:19
That's exactly wrong. So, um, let's kind of set the stage and then I'm going to just kind of turn it over to you and let you talk a little bit. So when people talk about Benghazi and you know, that's really popular now. And obviously it was in the press, and it's been in the press for nearly a decade now. The way people know about that Mark is your co-author of a book called 13 hours. Tell us about that.
Mark OZ Geist 3:49
I'll get right here. But it's 13 hours the inside of account what really happened in Benghazi, we partnered with someone who could write better than any of us guy by the name of Mitchell Zuckoff. And then the rest of it was with the NSA security team. You know, it was it was an awesome way to tell the story. I mean, we had to kind of figure that out. Because, you know, we it wasn't something that we really thought about doing upfront. never really thought about it until the story started coming out through politics. And the story that wasn't being told was the story. That was what really happened on the ground, where everybody else both the left and right took this thing and was throwing it back like a football on game day.
Keith Mark 4:44
Well, let's set the stage for what happened over in Benghazi in those incredible 13 hours that you lived, lived through. Unfortunately, you did not all of your comrades did. But you you were in the military. Tell us about About your military background that led you into the private contractor business and what the difference is.
Mark OZ Geist 5:06
Well, I think, you know, a lot of I mean, I grew up with my grandfather was my hero. He served in World War Two was a tank commander was in North Africa had the North African Campaign Medal. So he had to have been in Patton's Army got injured over there, you have five Purple Hearts, a Silver Star, Bronze Star, was in the push was it wasn't there for Normandy, but he was in the push across Europe into Germany and stayed afterwards in, you know, I never really knew a lot about his stories, because he never really talked about it, like a lot of the guys that that that generation. You know, they lived it, they talked with their buddies about it, but they didn't talk to no one else about it. And so, but I always saw this shadowbox that he has on the wall, or he had on the wall, because he's passed away now, but, and I was the one that he gave that to. And so it was just something that really intrigued me. And he's what led me to the military him and I had three uncles as well that served in the military two in the Navy and one in the Marine Corps. So, you know, that sense of service, something that was ingrained into us. And that's just kind of how I got into the military.
Keith Mark 6:21
So what did you join?
Mark OZ Geist 6:23
Um, best fighting forces in the world, United States Marine Corps force, hey,
Keith Mark 6:27
go do anything but the best. Yeah. When did you go into the Marine Corps? And what was your rank? And what did you do when you're in the Marine Corps?
Mark OZ Geist 6:36
Well, I started, I joined them record. And it was kind of a funny story about a buddy of mine that I grew up with. We were best friends, pretty much since sophomores in high school and our senior year, it was before Christmas. We were walking down the hall together after lunch and getting ready to go to math class. And he just kept walking. And I turned down the other hall to go to math class. And he's like, and while I turned him on my head, keep going. He says, I'm gonna go talk to the Marine Corps recruiter. And I'm like, you mean, I can get out of math class for that? Yeah. So how am I going going with you, if I can find a reason that not have to be in school, my senior year, I found I did everything I could. Down the hallway, talk to the Marine Corps, Marine Corps recruiter. And I mean, I think he saw me coming. Because as a sucker that goes, his first question is, what do you want to do? And I'm like, I want to jump out of airplanes, blow things up and shoot people. And he says, Well, that's sounds like the United States Marine Corps. And that sounds like the infantry. There you go. And so that's really what I started out doing as I joined the Marine Corps and what in the infantry, and my first duty station was in a far off land in Asia, called the Philippines, spent a year and a half over there, and which for a small town, country boy was, was an experience that anybody who's ever been there in the Marine Corps during the 80s can understand.
But those those are different stories Mark.
Well, I can only tell you what other people did, because I was saint, I promise, right. You are You are organizing the prayer group I hear. Yeah. So how long were you in the Marine Corps? Mark?
Keith Mark 8:25
I spent 12 years in the Marines 12 years active? Well, I guess the best way to put that is any marine would say as I'm still a Marine, but I served active duty for 12 years.
And so you came back stateside. And because I know you personally, I know, you kind of missed all that you were able to do while you're in the Marine Corps. And so you were trying to find some of that action over here. So for a while, how'd you try to find the action in the States?
Mark OZ Geist 8:57
Well, after after I got out of the Marine Corps, and caveat, I finished my last five, six years in the Marine Corpsas interrogator/translator. Marine Corps thought that I was smart enough to learn a foreign language and or just dumb enough to volunteer, but I volunteered to learn Persian Farsi, which is what they speak in Iran. And my goal was really wanting to learn Chinese because I figured China was going to be our next best, our next biggest threat. I was only off by about 20 years but had to had to deal with the Middle East. And it worked out. Well. For me. I mean, being a contractor and working in the Middle East. That was my specialty for the last half of my time in the Marine Corps. And then all my time as a contractor.
Keith Mark 9:41
You mentioned interrogation. Did you ever participate in waterboarding?
Mark OZ Geist 9:49
Well, yes, only on the receiving end.
Keith Mark 9:51
Yeah. You know, I've talked to other folks like you that as part of your training, you had to undergo it, so you knew what it would be like, right? Yeah, yep. So do you have any of your prior chat friends in Guantanamo Bay as we speak? Or can you say?
Mark OZ Geist 10:10
You know no, because when I was in the Marine Corps, working as an interrogator, and that's really the only place I've ever worked as an interrogator. And for the military, or for any federal government organizations, so but I know it was all, most of mine was during peacetime, I mean, we did have the first Gulf War, but that thing came in went so quick. You know, and, and most people have a misunderstanding of what true interrogation is about, I mean, for me, the mental side of it, talking to sitting down talking to somebody and getting somebody else to commit treason against their country, you know, by convincing them that that's what's in their best interests through just talking to people it's not about what everyone calls torture or stress positions or anything like that. It's, it's, most people, when you run into them, they're they're willing to tell you whatever, because the fear that they have already in their head that's perceived. And the whole idea of being isolated, because that's what they are once they become a prisoner, and they want to just get back to me, most guys want to just get back to their home, get back to their families and in continue to live in life.
Keith Mark 11:33
So when you got home and back to your family, what did you do stateside? When you got back to Colorado? Right?
Mark OZ Geist 11:40
Yeah, I got out of the Marine Corps and become a deputy sheriff up in Teller, County, Colorado, worked up there for about four no three years. Most of what I do up there was work on crimes against children investigating crimes against children and crimes against women. And then I took a job as chief of police in a small town. I'm literally like, Mayberry, I thought I was gonna have to put one round in my pocket.
Keith Mark 12:11
Now, that would go with the other 40 in the lower pockets, right?
Mark OZ Geist 12:15
Yes. Yeah, so if anybody asks, yep, I've got my one round.
Keith Mark 12:20
Yeah. So. So basically, when you came back, you didn't take the kind of off the beaten path jobs, it seems like you've always had service and patriotism and your blood Mark.
Mark OZ Geist 12:34
It is, you know, I think it's just something that that being a part of something bigger than yourself. I mean, you know, anybody, I think just about anybody who's joined the military, and I would venture to say almost every one of them who has joined any of the the Special Operations units, you know, they want to be a part of something bigger than themselves. And, you know, as well as though most of us are probably running either to something or from something. Which leads us all down, you know, in my opinion, leads us down that road of why PTS affects different people in different ways.
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Keith Mark 13:35
What else did you do when you got back? You are? Yeah, well, I don't want the full details because I know you're going a while but we don't. We don't want Crystal to come in and punch you while we're talking. So you were you took law enforcement jobs. And I think you were a volunteer firefighter for a while.
Mark OZ Geist 13:53
Yeah. Yeah. volunteer firefighter. One of the after about three years working crazy gets the job in a small town, where I grew up are just west of where I grew up. As Chief of Police, kind of like a Mayberry town. It was it really, it was interesting, because it gave you a hold for cyber law enforcement. And after coming out of doing crimes against children, it was a good break. Yeah.
Keith Mark 14:21
Do you see a theme here? Mark, Marine Corps, law enforcement, firefighter, I mean, that seems like an adrenaline junkie, seeking employment.
Mark OZ Geist 14:35
Yeah, probably. I think, though, it's not so much the adrenaline that drove me to those types of jobs. I think it was that that genetic trait or that internal thing that just made me want to be a part of something bigger than myself? Yeah. You know, I think I get more pleasure out of making by helping people than I do anything else. Just being unselfish, selfless service
Keith Mark 15:03
Because I have read 13 hours. And I know eventually you ended back in harm's way overseas. So how did you go from these law enforcement jobs and firefighting jobs in rural Colorado back overseas, risking life and limb?
Mark OZ Geist 15:21
Um, well, I had a short break in between where I was working. I started my own business doing private investigations and bounty hunting.
Keith Mark 15:32
Of course you did? Yeah, yeah. took a break to go bounty hunting. Okay, go ahead.
Mark OZ Geist 15:40
And, you know, from there, I also, you know, this is something I don't talk a lot about, because it was a short stint that really was not very significant in my life is I joined the Carlisle Colorado Army National Guard 19th Group, which was a Special Forces Group. And really, it was the only place that was close enough where I could go and kind of still get that military brotherhood that was that the army had that was as close to the Marine Corps as you could get with, you know, that that sense of service, that sense of teamwork and all of that. So 911 hit, and I knew that I had to get back over there. And I was really trying to, you know, do everything I could with 19th group, because they were test out almost immediately being a special forces unit getting over there. But I kind of ran into a hiccup with the xo at the time, and they said that I didn't have an army MOS, so I couldn't deploy with it. So that was really disappointing. So me and the xo at the time, that leadership, but I could never understand why they wouldn't want somebody whether I had an army MOS or not that spoke the language of the country we're going to war with, right. So we kind of had our words in, separated in I went back to being chief of police and then looking for a way to go back as a contract.
Keith Mark 17:12
Let me stop you Mark, because I'm a mere civilian, what is an MOS?
Mark OZ Geist 17:18
A Military Occupational Specialty, basically a number that classifies what job you do. Wow.
Keith Mark 17:25
Wow, just to have written something on a piece of paper. Yeah, regardless of what you've done for 12 years in the Marine Corps and all the other things that you had done thereafter, I'll be darned. Alright, so how did you end up become a contractor for an alphabet organization?
Mark OZ Geist 17:44
Well, I started out getting a job with a group called triple canopy. And it's a company that was started by a group of guys that had been on the Karzai detail. The protection deal for Karzai, the leader of Afghanistan after we, after our military personnel helped us get, you know, throw out the the Taliban, Karzai was the leader in Afghanistan. So they started up their own private company called triple canopy and I went over and early started with them and around May March or March or May of 2004. And went to Iraq. Protect the State Department personnel in some of the most dangerous places I was in Baqubah Iraq. I don't know we we had more IEDs going off in Baqubah on a daily basis then now. What was going off in
Keith Mark 18:40
Was that Hillary? Um, yeah, I put her on hold. Good place for Okay, go ahead. I felt you know, I got put on hold. So why not? Yeah, well, I think she will show up. No problem waiting. 13 hours for you to get back with her. Yeah, exactly. Well, you know what, that's a pretty good place. Cuz you worked in the contracting business, and it ultimately found you over in harm's way that led to 13 hours. And so I think you have some incredible stories that you can share with the listeners. So stay tuned here for a second Mark, because we're going to take a quick break and when we come back, Mark OZ Geist is going to take us behind the scenes in Benghazi on that fateful night. Stay tuned.
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Keith Mark 20:06
All right, welcome back. We're visiting with Mark us guys, true American hero and more important to me, my close friend. So Mark, you worked in the contracting business for how long before we got to the famous events in Benghazi.
Mark OZ Geist 20:26
Back nine, almost nine and a half years I was working from I just said early 2004 till I got injured in September 11. accident I got injured September 12, the morning of September 12 2012.
Keith Mark 20:39
And, you know, people hear the phrase worked as a contractor makes me think of a guy with a tape measure hooked on to his belt, and he's carrying a slide rule and drill and a hammer and he's building stuff. Is that right?
Mark OZ Geist 20:56
You? You would be amazed how many times I tell people, you know, what do you do? I'm a contractor. They're like, Oh, okay, so you build stuff? Yeah, I'm like, yeah, overseas, I build stuff. That's that that works out for me.
Keith Mark 21:06
Well tell our listeners, Mark. What a contractor really is. What What did you do for that nine years?
Mark OZ Geist 21:14
Well, you know, as private contractors, it's, I mean, the US government. I mean, really, if you want to look at the history of it has had private military contractors working for them since 1776. 1775. George Washington, our first president hired a general Lafayette and also another Russian or German to help train the troops. And ever since it's been a part of that to every war we've fought in, we've had private military contractors, whether it be companies or individuals. And I worked as a private security contractor, my job was a couple different ones, primarily to protect people as a security as a bodyguard. And then also I trained Iraqi SWAT teams, emergency response units. I was a security adviser to the US contract to doctor I had Alawi who is one of the former Prime Ministers of Iraq, which was interested in me in South Africa and lived out in town with three Kurdish guys. And we worked for just to make sure that his security the guys were up to speed and he remained safe.
Keith Mark 22:27
Well, so what was the date when you got into Libya, for that led right up to what we're going to talk about the 13 hours.
Mark OZ Geist 22:39
I've been there about 45 days when September 11, September 12 occurred. So it was right around the end of July, I think it was I think I was actually flying on the 30th or 31st was heading over.
Keith Mark 22:56
So I know a lot and I know your personality, oz. When you got there. One of the things that you're most noted for is your attention to detail, where this is where that is how I get from point A to B. And then multiple plans thereafter, tell me about lay the groundwork for what you did mentally and physically, that prepared you to survive those 13 hours.
Mark OZ Geist 23:25
Well, one of the big, you know, my thing was one learning the city knowing where everything was, you know, I felt it was my responsibility to know the city as well as if I'd lived there for 10 years. And I want to know, all the back street alleys, everything like that, so I could get around. You know, because every country I've ever been in when something goes down or I mean at the whim of whatever government or militia or whoever's in charge of that area. You know, they love to throw up impromptu checkpoints. And if you don't, you know, if I don't know how to get around, then I'm gonna get hemmed up in those kind of things. So, you know, me personally was just no one where I was going to be working and knowing that like, like I was if I was a local so and
Keith Mark 24:11
so we're Where are you working? Where were you stationed when
Mark OZ Geist 24:13
I was working in Benghazi, Libya. And if you ever look at a map, it looks like it's a wagon wheel. Um, you've got down towards the center of the town is the port and the port was ran by a militia that was kind of quasi friendly, almost like organized crime, really. The airport which was on the opposite end of town, almost out towards the us some of the desert was ran by another militia. And then you know, that they really at least initially, there wasn't any law enforcement. There was probably at least five to seven more training camps or militias that had training camps or something like that around and it but if you're looking at You have the center of town and then out from it were roads that came out like the spokes of a wagon wheel. And then you had rings that went around it. And it was called, they're actually named first ring, second ring, third ring, fourth ring, fifth ring, and sixth ring roads. I was living in a place that was about off of between fourth and fifth ring. And so
Keith Mark 25:25
what was that called? Oh, that was called the annex. And who was running the annex? I mean, you were working at that time for
Mark OZ Geist 25:34
a group that is one some people call it the CIA. I call it the Culinary Institute of America, which I guess is the same thing. It was we were running a polling a baking school.
Keith Mark 25:49
Yes. Yes. It's perspective. So what? So um, we all know that there was an embassy close by but up through what we're about to talk to, did you have any contact with the embassy? Or had you done any interaction with the personnel at the embassy?
Mark OZ Geist 26:07
Yeah, you know, the embassy was about a mile away as the crow flies, the back of the embassy, but it up to fourth Ring Road. And then the front of it was a dirt road. Our super secret name for it was consolate road, because we figured if we talked about it, if they called it consolate road, no one would understand where we're talking about.
Keith Mark 26:26
Okay. And so had you been over to the embassy? Prior to this with?
Mark OZ Geist 26:31
Yeah, yeah, we had, you know, there was off and on probably, at least once or twice a month, I would make it over there, depending on what for, you know, the, the consulate. And I guess one of the bigger things to kind of show is the, the annex was about the size of a football field. We had four buildings in the if anybody has seen the movie, it's, they did a really, really good job of mimicking what it looked like there was four buildings, there's a center area where there was a little grass, I don't get a garden area. And the four buildings in there were one on each basically set up in kind of a diamond shape. Opposite the walls. And those were all living quarters. And you know, but to get around it, I think if we, if I was going to run, it was about a quarter mile to run around the whole thing. So that's where it's kind of I kind of determined about size of a football field.
Keith Mark 27:42
And that's the annex. Yeah, okay. So now when we're let's just take a second go over to the consulate or the embassy, if you will give us the dimensions of that. And some of the problems that you initially saw when you got there. For the first time.
Mark OZ Geist 27:59
Well, the first time I pulled in there, I mean, it was beautiful. I mean, they had nice backyard lawns, there was a nice grape orchard in the back a lot of different fruit trees. And then that was one compound. And then there was a alleyway that ran in between those, that one and the next one, which they had broken the walls out and made a dry pathway, you could drive from one to the other. And they added another one that was on that side. So estimate, it was probably about seven to eight acres is what those two compounds they together were
Keith Mark 28:34
from a security defensible standpoint, what were your thoughts about it?
Mark OZ Geist 28:40
Um, well, I mean, best way to put it is they had five diplomatic security guards at that facility at the most at any one time. And when the ambassador was in, there's there was times when the ambassador was in Tripoli, if he wasn't on station that they would have maybe three guys there. Well, and yeah, it's pretty. And I think it was, you know, the administration at the time, had this idea of letting them feel letting the Libyans feel like they were running their own country.
Keith Mark 29:18
At the peril of learning at the peril of our personnel, you think?
Mark OZ Geist 29:23
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, and for myself, I mean, I understand the job that I take, but at some point, a, you know, at least over to consulate, the consulate was very inadequately protected. I mean, there is no reason you should have had that few people. There was no official Well, I can't say there was zero there was very little, if any, at all official, Libyan government entities in Benghazi. I mean, there was no police force. It was ran Oh by militias. You know, which in a sense probably wasn't too different than it ever had been even when qaddafi was there. But the problem is, is after the overthrow of qaddafi, you know, every single arms room that the millet that the military the Libyan military had was busted open. And these malicious went in and stole everything they could. And I mean, everything from ak 40, sevens and pistols to RPGs, and surface to air missiles.
Keith Mark 30:28
Wow. All right. Take us to the night that started all of this. Tell me the date. And tell me what your plans were that evening that got interrupted by the 13 hour saga?
Mark OZ Geist 30:42
Well, it was me septet coming up to September 11. You know, every place I'd been for every year since 2001. It was one of those things, you always considered your threat level a little bit higher, and your concerns a little bit higher and looking for stuff. What might be and not be because it is September 11, the alkaitis of the world and the ISIS is of the world or their offshoots would love to try to kill Americans on that date. It's kind of a big honor for them to, especially on that date to kill an American. And so you know, we weren't planning too much. From our standpoint, over at the Culinary Institute, the consulate had to really shut down their operations. And the ambassador wasn't going to move at all. From what I was told. And again, I caveat that with had never met the ambassador myself. But I did know his security detail that was there pretty well. And kind of a last minute thing, a move came up where me and a female case officer had to go out in town, not basically we were going to go on a dinner date with a local Libyan couple. So we went over and it was deemed okay. Or at least it got approved from my standpoint, at least by our chief of base because we were going from our compound driving straight over and going into another secure compound. And so we went over there, I think we left probably around 5:30-6 o'clock at night. And we went over there and had dinner and I think celebrated the guy that we were meeting with and his wife for their daughter's birthday and was going to sit back and smoke the hookah pipe and just share some stories.
Keith Mark 32:32
Then what happened.
Mark OZ Geist 32:34
I got a, I got a phone call from time Tyrone Woods, also known as Roan. And Ty called me and said, Hey, OZ you need to get back to the annex, stay away from the consulate. And it was over a cell phone. So you know, he wasn't gonna say too much. And I didn't need to know too much more than that, at that point, because he was calling to interrupt something, I knew it was going to be pretty important. So you know, I'd stepped away to take that phone call. And I come back. And I whisper into the case officers ear that we needed to leave right away and kind of brought pictor not picked her up, but escorted her over to our car. And we got into our car. And at that point, I was able to turn on secure communications because I had that inside the car. And we headed out the front gate and beside on and was making our way back to the annex.
Keith Mark 33:30
And what what was happening what when you found out what what did they tell you what's going on?
Mark OZ Geist 33:36
Well, I didn't no one was talking to us at that time. And I didn't need to talk to them because I could just hear what was coming over the radio. And I didn't want to interfere with important communications with just me kind of trying to figure out what was going on, basically, and the embassy, you know, what I heard was a lot of gunfire. I could hear a case. Yeah, it was it was it was radio traffic from the annex to the embassy. Or to the consulate. I shouldn't say embassy embassy was back in Tripoli, but to the consulate or the other thing they called it a lot of times was the special mission facility. And what they did here, aka fire, you hear belt fed machine guns, which was our PKs and PKMS, and then the RPGs going off and you can hear the explosions going off. And the one thing that really kind of hit this stuck in my mind was and to this day was the fear in that whoever which I later found out was their team leader, their team leader coming over the radio saying if you don't get here now we are going to all all die. And, you know, for the sake of ears out there, there was a few expletives in there as well.
Keith Mark 34:51
So without knowing the where's the you know, the particulars you knew the proverbial shite had just hit the fan.
Mark OZ Geist 34:59
Yeah. Yeah, I it really kind of told me what was going on just from the fact that, you know, and they came over the radio and it wasn't like they said they were being attacked. It's they had been overran. Wow. And you know at that that's all I needed to know at that time, because you know what I was really worried about myself, and was for the female case officer and us getting back safely. You know, because if we wouldn't, by taking this, maybe five, you know, four to five minutes to get back at best. But the problem is, is that what it took his real close to where the consulate was, as well as through some of the areas where our, I would suspect or I assumed it would probably be instead of going that route, we took a longer route headed up to coast, headed west along the coast, circled back in through some of the uninhabited areas part of the desert, that kind of stuff come back in, took about 30 to 45 minutes, maybe an hour, and was kind of made it back in avoided almost every checkpoint, we ended up running into one at the very last which was a little bit hairy. But thank goodness the Lord was looking out for us and was able to make it past that one without being identified and made it back to the annex.
Keith Mark 36:27
Well, Mark, I know how this story goes, and I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to hear you tell it but we're out of time for this episode, but stick around and we'll get to the rest of the story on part two. So stay tuned. For more Right On The Mark right here.
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Keith Mark 0:00
Hey, thanks for coming back to part two of our interview with my good friend Marcus Geist. And in this episode we're going to talk hunting. We're going to talk about his new mission. We're going to take some questions, but first, let's get right back into that hair raising description of his 13 hours in Benghazi
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Keith Mark 1:06
Okay, welcome back. And well, I'll tell you what, I'm on the edge of my seat. I hope you guys are as well, we're talking to true American hero Mark OZ Geist And Mark has just gotten this into the start of the 13 hour saga that he in his friend so adequately told in the book, 13 hours, and then the movie by its same name. And Mark, I don't want you to tell us the whole 13 hours, because I think everybody that's listening, Sure ought to get that book and watch that movie. But I do want you to touch on just a couple of little points in there from stories that you've shared with me. So during the initial attack, I just want you to tell the folks how up close and personal this actually was once everything went on over at the consulate, the boys came back from the consulate. And I mean all that. And I think that's so incredibly intense that let them just watch it in the movie, or read the book. But when you were on the ground there, defending the annex, when the initial wave came, just just take our listeners through that initial onslaught, and exactly where you were and what you did, and how up and close and personal It was
Mark OZ Geist 2:21
Our compound, probably about a nine or 10 foot wall around it. We had a back gate that was on our eastern wall, the front gate was on our southern wall. And so I was on the north side or the I was on the north eastern side right in between the rear gate was to my right. And we can see movement, you can hear cars pulling up and we started seeing movement 15-20 guys somewhere around there. And you know, luckily for us, we had technology on our side, we had nvgs we had some infrared lasers. And you know, we could identify targets as they're moving up. And Tig was coming over to my position, Tonto and DB were on one of the elevated an elevated position on that top of a roof top. And we at that point that we were just kind of identifying each where each of us saw tarnish, we deployed our lasers, you know, the guys, the bad guys can see the lasers unless they have night vision devices or something like so. And we knew that they didn't have that kind of stuff, or at least we were pretty much banking on it. But talking Tonto and DB, we're up top and we were all just identifying where we saw targets and we had strike spot like it's a floodlights, spotlights, red floodlights on the outside of our walls that kind of covered out to about 30 yards, 20-30 yards out from the wall. And, you know, our thought process, I mean, kinda even without saying it was, we were still let them get as close as they want to think they, you know, let them scoot up and get close and then kind of like Concord, you know, let's wait till we see the whites of their eyes and we were going to unload on them and not. During that time Tig was moving over and what really kind of started it was a guy and kind of got up close it was through a D over the wall. And when it landed, it landed in between me and TIG luckily didn't have any shrapnel it blew up and that was really kind of what initiated that first assault onto us. And, you know, we just got to start picking them off like prairie dogs. I thought I was back home sitting on my granddad's place, just shooting whatever came up, whatever stuck its head up up.
Keith Mark 4:35
and I know you're a hunter, and so your hunting skills came into play there and prairie dogs got dropped all around, I guess.
Mark OZ Geist 4:43
Yeah. I mean it. It lasted maybe, you know, five to seven minutes, somewhere around there, maybe 10 at most. I mean, it was pretty short lived. I think, you know, those the militia that was assaulting us the most His name was Onstar, Austria. And I think they thought they were going to come into our area the same as they did over at the consulate. You know, but as I've told you many a time, I mean, the sheep dogs protecting the annex had a few more teeth in their mouth. And then what was over tactic consulate I think conflict great guys wasn't the guys that were there that was the problem as much as it was the assets that they were given to help protect the ambassador on that big of an area.
Keith Mark 5:33
So without getting into any of the other particulars of that fateful evening, those 13 hours for you. And for some of your close friends there. It really boiled down to about the last three minutes.
Mark OZ Geist 5:49
Yeah, I did. I mean, myself, Ty, and Glen, Glen was the team leader from our sister team up in Tripoli, they were able to obtain a or gain access to a civilian aircraft and make their way down and had made their way there. It was about five o'clock in the morning and not, you know, it was, that's when the last firefight occurred. And this really told you the level of sophistication of this militia and their capability because it was a very complex attack. I mean, I, you know, the first couple attacks that they made treat, and I think it was they hadn't gotten set up, they hadn't, you know, they thought it was gonna be an easy push, just like at the consulate, but they came in at us with RPGs, Belt fed machine guns, AKs and indirect fire, which is like artillery and mortars. And they dropped some mortars in on us, and they had us dead to rights. And, you know, I mean, four mortars, hit within about two minutes, and they hit three of those mortars hit the roof top. That doesn't happen unless you're good at what you do. Anybody out there that's a Mortarman knows kind of how hard that is to do that on getting your first target. Get your first rounds on target.
Keith Mark 7:07
So what's the killing ratio? Those motors that hit the roof there in the last two or three minutes?
Mark OZ Geist 7:15
At they were 81 millimeter mortars from everything, looking at the tail fence, because I see some pictures from I think it was ABC was the group that first the news group that got over there first, looking at the tail fins of those things that were left there was they looked like french 81s. And the french 81 has a killer radius. They said route 131 feet. So if you're within 131 feet of that you have about a 90 being a kill radius set, but a 98% chance of dying.
Keith Mark 7:47
And how many of those rounds went off with you inside that radius?
Mark OZ Geist 7:54
Three of them did? Well, you could actually say all four did the first one hit the outer wall, which was about, oh, probably 90, maybe 90 feet away, and then by the time to the rooftop. So that one was real close, I was on the outer edges of that one, but the other three were within about 15 to 17 feet of me.
Keith Mark 8:17
And what kind of damage did those roof top mortars do right there at the end?
Mark OZ Geist 8:23
Well, the first one went off in about severed my arm off my left arm. That's the one that killed TY. And the second one went off, and it landed right in prep just about in front of Glen and killed him and I got shrapnel from that one as well. And then the third one landed again, it just, they were kind of like a little lion almost coming back from the edge of the rough, about dropped about 15 out probably 12 feet and then another seven feet after that. So they were right there in a line. But they were all within 15 to 17 feet to my right and I ended up having shrapnel in my neck and four or five pieces of shrapnel in my chest. I still have about I think I got three pieces of metal still there, up and down both legs and arms. My left arm was about blown off about six inches above the wrist. And that's why I think we can have 20 to 25 holes total.
Keith Mark 9:18
My gosh, well, some divine intervention there for you, but you sure lost some good friends and comrades that morning.
Mark OZ Geist 9:27
Yeah, you know, I was you know, and a lot of people you bring up the divine intervention, you know, I, I call it our seventh man. And, you know, we've had there was, there was too many things that happened that night that were that were able to allow us to save the 20 some odd people that were there that we did save and get them back home to their families without without the grace of God. And you know, a lot of people ask me about my faith is there like was, you know, was that something that was After Benghazi and I, you know, I was born, born and raised as a Christian Methodist Church, sang in the church choir, at a wonderful youth pastor and his wife were probably really instrumental in in building giving me that foundation in my relationship with the Lord. But you know, it's I've seen a lot of people killed in the name of religion and I think there's a difference between religion and a relationship with the Lord. Religion is a man made thing and and that relationship with Jesus Christ in the Lord is something that is personal that each one of us has or should have. And even difference was after being before Benghazi I probably wasn't as I tried to find ways to live my life, that with my relationship with the Lord, but that wasn't the focus. And I mean, I'm hard headed German marine in the Lord blowing me up three times to get my attention.
Keith Mark 11:00
Wow. Well, when we come back, I want to talk to you about how the events of Benghazi in those 13 hours has led you to the ministry that you're now involved with. So stay tuned. We're gonna have more with American hero, Mark OZ Geist,
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Keith Mark 11:35
Okay, Mark, thanks for joining us. And you know, boy, I tell you what, I really needed a break after you were telling the Benghazi story. I mean, I've heard it many times, but it is honestly I mean, it is harrowing. And it's it's just unbelievable what you went through. But that's led you to where you are now, so to speak. Tell us about the current ministry that you're involved in and the things and the projects that you're involved in that allows you to give back.
Mark OZ Geist 12:07
No, it was almost immediately. I mean, there was a lot of things that took place with my injuries. Getting back from Germany, from Libya to you know, was first it was into Tripoli, where I had my first life saving surgery by a Libyan by Libyan doctors in a Libyan hospital, for their to Germany was in Germany for a few days until I could get a could get me stabilized. And then came back to the US and, you know, went through that process is private security contractors. We don't have the resources for support like the military does. I mean, basically, I'm an independent contractor for the US government. Now, granted, I understand I, you know, I, I take that, and I understood that when I took the job, but what I did experience and me and my family is first is what we have for support is a workman's comp policy and, you know, you working with your private job as dealing with workman's comp know how wonderful and how supportive they are of those that you know, even those that are working on a day to day basis here in America to fight every day. He exactly, I think I find I had with workman's comp was probably as hard as it was with Indian Ghazi. At least I knew where the guy the bad guys were when when I was in Benghazi. But you know, it's unfortunate that we have because there has been a significant amount of contractors, both security and others that have worked overseas in the last 20 years. And continue to work, you know, we got 271 ish diplomatic facilities around the world. And there are military personnel, there are US government employees. And there are also US citizens who were contracted to work at these facilities for a lot of different jobs. And unfortunately, the majority of those contractors don't have to support if they get severely injured or killed. Their families don't have that. Because if we don't have those resources, like the military, I didn't know, really, I didn't have any personal contact with any of the guys that I've met before other than Tonto. We had met a couple of times at a training evolution. But other than that, I never worked with any of the guys I was with. So obviously, my families, my family and their families never had any contact and, you know, we struggled a lot. We didn't get our first workman's comp checks until after the first of the year in the 2013. And as a contractor, I only got paid when my feet were in the country I was contracted to work in so This September 12, was my last day day.
Keith Mark 15:03
Wow. So all the struggles, in your own family struggles and your conversations with your other friends that were injured, then that led you to a revelation of how you could actually give back and help other people in this circumstance. Tell us about that?
Mark OZ Geist 15:23
Well, unless it's me and my wife, I think I, when I first mentioned it, I thought first came into my mind, I was still in the hospital in at Walter Reed down in DC. And, you know, I knew I wanted to help others. And it was that, again, I think it's essence of selfless service. But we ended up starting an organization called shadow where your project, and what we do our primary and our our foundation was to help those who get killed or injured. overseas in combat related injuries, and make sure those families are taken care of. And they are because, well, we found out through our experiences, that first three months is really the most difficult because your life changes 100%, if you can't go back to work, or you're so severely injured as I was, the PE stops, there was no one there to help with the workman's comp process, how that works, going through Department of Labor, all of that, you know. And so we decided to help fill that void. And we try to make sure that a family who is killed or severely injured where the husband can't go back to work their first three months of bills, covering those big ones, you know, especially the house, keeping the lights on keeping the heat going, car payments, that kind of stuff, making sure they have that, because their income stream has just changed dramatically. I mean, it went from, you know, granted, as a contractor, I made good money. I mean, I was paid somewhere around $700 a day. But then it was gone. And, you know, my wife didn't work at that time, because she wanted to stay home and take care of the kids. So we went from making money to not and thank goodness for us is every month, you know, people would reach out and help and make sure that we we were able to make those bills. So we wanted to continue that. And that's kind of what our foundation was built upon.
Keith Mark 17:22
Starting out with a big heart and soul shadow warriors is not for profit. It is and it's not for profit. And it relies 100% on the generosity of people that know your mission, that contribute to shadow warriors to allow you to go out and help people, just like yourself that have risked everything for this country and got injured. Is that right?
Mark OZ Geist 17:48
Yeah, yes, you know, it's is that it's the, you know, their, their compassion, to help those that continue to serve those that continue to want to serve their country and other aspects other than the military.
Keith Mark 18:02
So those people that are listening right now that have been touched by your story, Mark, and how you got hurt, and how you and your family struggled until you finally got a check. And then knowing that you're now through shadow warriors, alleviating a lot of those problems and stresses on families that are facing just terrible times. How do they reach out to you so they can donate and help shadow warriors in your mission?
Mark OZ Geist 18:30
The best way to do that is go to shadow warriors. project.org is our website. And if you go there, you can go in and donate. And you can read more about us, you can find out what we're doing, because we've actually extended over this last year, about a year and a half ago, almost two years ago, I got a service dog. Her name is rhon named after Tyrone Woods, he got killed next to me. And she's really made a big difference in my life. You know, she's a service mobility dog, she helps me get out get around, be be more able to be in the public. And so we started providing service dogs initially, for contractors. And we spread that out to also to our military veterans, our brothers and sisters who were out there that have given so much as well.
Keith Mark 19:21
And I know just recently, Mark and that you've spent a lot of time with veterans and contractors that have been injured with the dog project. And you were telling me last week about some of the fantastic successes that you've had with these people with, you know, post traumatic stress and so on through this dog project. And I think for the next couple of weeks, you're actually going to be out of the country working with this exact same project, right?
Mark OZ Geist 19:48
Yeah. We have a donor that was done in Lubbock, Texas. We call her Nana, her name is Margaret. she, her son had gotten a dog from the Adding canine, which is where I got my dog, at least has the breeder. Special Operations Wounded Warrior is the one who donated her to me. But she has built this facility down in Lubbock to see saw the change in her grandson. her grandson was pretty much on a downward spiral from his son and overseas and just he got a dog and it changed his life. So she has built a facility funded facility for us down in Lubbock, Texas, that we are working with them. We're renting the facility from them and working together to bring veterans in and we're doing some what we're calling I call it canine therapy. I got a lot of doctors out there and therapist to say you can't you're not a therapist, so you can't call that therapy. I'm like, well, I've been through enough therapy and have self induced therapy. I can feel myself a therapist.
Keith Mark 21:02
Unbelievable. Well, if you're listening, Shadow warriors project.org shadow warriors project.org go there. This surely is touched your heart like it's touched mine. flat out I'm asking you give to Shadow Warrior, Shadow warriors project.org. So Mark and his wife crystal continue this mission that they're doing such great work with, with people that have really risked it all so we can do what we do. Mark stay tuned because we're going to change gears and talk about your faith a little bit more and then we're going to tell some hunting stories. So stay tuned and we'll be back with Mark oz Geist.
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Keith Mark 22:02
You know, Mark, my favorite picture of you as civilian Marco's Geist is the one where you have that big black charcoal gray wolf over your shoulders. Man, tell tell me that story.
Mark OZ Geist 22:17
You know, I was up in the Northwest Territories in Canada about 100 miles south of the Arctic Circle. With and well, and I was with one of our good friends. Yeah. You can say a mark you can? Well, I was gonna say no matter what, but I was waiting. You know, it's, I was with one of our good friends or two of our good friends really done and Eric Trump, June, it was Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, and I was the first time I got to meet his son, Donald Trump, Jr. the third. But it was it was an amazing hunt that they were out hunting grass eaters. When I was back to the cabin, and when I say cabin, it was about 12 feet, maybe 15 feet wide by about maybe at best 20 feet long. And there were six of us that lit that slept in there and had no running water didn't have electricity or anything like that. So I mean, it wasn't living up to lifestyle. That's the one thing that's really impressed me about the Trump family, especially the boys there that they are their true hunters are true outdoors. But they were out hunting caribou, trying to get one and they were like I said he and Greg, they were hunting grass eaters, and I was fixing dinner is about nine o'clock at night, as you know, up that far north side, sun doesn't really set much at all, especially in you know, around July, August time period, I think it was in mid August. And the guide that was with me was out front and he says hey, I saw there's a wolf. And I mean, I would much rather hunted anything that's a predator than grass eaters, much so myself. I mean, I love eating grass eaters. But that challenge of getting something that has teeth that can hurt you is a whole nother story. So of course, I ran outside and I looked through the scope and about a mile away there was a big male Wolf and a female. And my first reaction was, heck with dinner, I ran back and grabbed my rifle and started running in the direction of that wolf because that the same time the wolf left, that position was running towards me as what I saw last in the scope, so I figured I'm going to go try to meet it before it gets to our camp. And I ran about 150 yards and I was pretty windy and I'm sitting there. I'm looking for it. I'm scanning across the ground and through the sage brushs not sage brush but it's kind of like Just for a boat and I see some movements I take off run in that direction again and run about another 100 150 yards and me and this wolf come across each other in the middle of 70 yards I think it was this opening the wolf came across that site I came out immediately dropped to a knee and leveled off my rifle and the wolf froze i think is the first time that we'll favorite saw a human being he didn't know what he was gonna come after or what he was coming after so I'm sitting there trying to get a bead on this wolf you know, and I mean I'm breathing like I'm out of shape which I was out of shape and I mean my skills go on like this and the wall started to take off and it went back behind some scrubbing some more scrub and come back around and right as it come around, I come off my scope and howlled and it froze and I was just caught my breathing under control and was getting ready to pull the trigger when it started to take off so I just moved it to its nose pulled the trigger put one through its first shoulder just behind his front shoulder at an angle blew out the far shoulder and pretty much went right through the heart when we gutted it figured that out and dropped it right there. Wow, what is the best part of it was I got the whole thing on camera too because we had a cameraman that was with us to film this hunt because it was all about raising money for Shadow Warriors Project that's why I Don and Eric came is to help make it a little bit more fun and more lucrative for shadow warriors helping us out
Keith Mark 26:34
Yeah, I saw the footage and it's good but not as good if my sidekick Josh Ishmael Cam had filmed it right. So that's a great status a great story Mark. Stay tuned and we'll be back with Mark OX Geist.
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Keith Mark 27:05
welcome back to the podcast or with Mark OZ Geist, Hey, Mark, I'm gonna bring my Producer Tim Lamar in. We've got several people listening today. And they've texted in some questions. So hey, Tim, are you there? Tim?
Tim Lamar 27:18
I am here. Alright, Tim, fire away love this because Mark has absolutely no idea. Neither do I. But let's put him on the spot. Fires a question away. Mark, what's your favorite animal to hunt?
Mark OZ Geist 27:30
Um, well, so far it's been it's been the Wolf. I mean, that whole time up there. I think during that week, I think we're up there for about 10 days. And we saw about nine wolves. And the day before there was a White Wolf that was stalk and had been stalking in one of our other hunters. Wow. And got within about 60 yards of him before he got no they noticed him and they shot at it. The hunter shot a little high because he was shooting downhill and the wolf was in a cross position. And I think that was one reason why I was really interested in getting that wolf is when it started coming towards us, I figured must be part of a bigger packs that had been very curious about what we were doing in his territory.
Keith Mark 28:20
Well, any other questions? Yeah.
Tim Lamar 28:22
Is there a best caliber for personal defense? What would be your choice? For a run of the mill non military regular Joe?
Keith Mark 28:32
Yeah, that's a good question. I'm interested with this one.
Mark OZ Geist 28:36
You know, honestly, I think from the from the handgun aspect, the nine mil and the reason for that is today's technology, with those people out there that are making the ammo now for us civilians, they are doing it in ways that you know, are a little bit past that they got the technology down, just far exceed the capabilities of what used to be the old ball ammunition, or the traditional hollow point. And the other thing is, is it's so I've got a set of rules in my life. Rule number one obviously is God Family Country Core. The second is anything that's worth shooting once is worth shooting at least twice because ammo is free, and life isn't. So the nine mil actually from a fiscal standpoint allows you one to carry a larger capacity. And it also allows you to get that second and third and fourth round on target. You know, just in case that target keeps coming. That threat keeps coming.
Keith Mark 29:37
Love it. Tim,
Tim Lamar 29:39
did you have one weapon or a favorite weapon when you were in service while in combat? What was your go to?
Mark OZ Geist 29:47
Well, if I had the choice of any weapons on September 11 and 12, there would have been a Spectre gunship. I'll take two of those. If you're ordering an F 16 or F 15 with with a j dam on it, which is 1000 pound bomb that is laser guided to come in. Okay, those as well. From a personal weapon standpoint, honestly, you know I want the gun that's going to work when I pull the trigger and you know the, the the market out there in this day and age with how to put it. Everyone else likes to call them assault rifles, but they're not assault rifles because they're semi automatic rifles that, like the the, you know, the what the military has is the sameM4 the AR 15 is the civilian model of that is, there's so many companies out there that make just tremendous firearms. Currently, what I carry is where I have is Sig Sauer's MCX, and it is a wonderful weapon that has a lot of possibilities.
Keith Mark 31:04
Tim Lamar 31:05
Do you have any advice for either new or a veteran shooter? Just in general? How do you improve your target your marksmanship?
Mark OZ Geist 31:16
Um, I guess for especially for new shooters. And if you've ever shot before, I unless you've been trained by a professional instructor, I would forget everything that grandpa taught you. And I would focus on a few things. One is sight alignment, sight picture and trigger squeeze. And number two is crawl, walk run. I mean, what's gonna make you a good shooter is that dry fire that you can do? doesn't have to do with firing live ammo, it is going through the motions of Where do you keep that weapon and how are you going to employ it and have you thought through those scenarios. And when you do that, again, going back to crawl, you know, crawl, walk, run as those through your mind about how that scenario would work. And then just as something as simple as drawing it. First thing is your grip, bringing it out of the holster, come in here and moving it forward until you got sight alignment, sight picture and trigger squeeze. That is going to be the things that make you a excellent shooter more than anything else you can do.
Keith Mark 32:24
Well, stay tuned, we're gonna have more and more guys when we come back. Great tip sauce.
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Keith Mark 32:56
Alright, Mark, welcome back. And I do want to talk about some hunting stuff, which I know you're a hunter and you and I spent a lot of time in the field together. But before we leave the topic of your faith and your ministry, I want you to tell a story that I actually I witnessed you and I and your wife, Crystal, we were having supper one evening in Denver, and a lady came in. And I think you'll remember this as I start telling this. And she said, Are you Mark markaz guys from Benghazi? And you said Yes, ma'am. And then she proceeded to ask you if you were scared during that 13 hours, and I was taken back and you said No, ma'am. And do you remember what you told her? Mark?
Mark OZ Geist 33:50
You know, I for the longest time? I didn't mean you reminded me of that? I don't know. I guess it's been a couple of years ago now. But I do remember that, you know, we were having that get together and that lady came up. And you know, I said she'd asked me about Benghazi and everybody stopped and started listening. I could tell the tables around two started, got quiet and we're listening. She asked me just like you said, she said, Were you scared at night? And I said no, because I'm immortal. I probably said that it was a little bit of my marine cockiness to me. But really what the cockiness comes from is my faith with with the Lord and Jesus Christ, because that's she was like, the look on her face was really kind of a gas. I guess.
Keith Mark 34:37
There wasn't a sound in the restaurant when she said, Were you scared? And you said no, Mama, I'm immortal. And like you said that there wasn't a sound in that entire restaurant. And do you after a pause there? You said until God decides otherwise. And I'll tell you what it it was really meaningful to me, Mark And I think everyone in the restaurant because you could just hear kind of a sigh come out of everyone. And when you think about that, we are all immortal until God decides otherwise. And it's our faith that allows us to go from start to end. And well, I'll tell you what, that was a meaningful event in my life. And I've shared that story many times, I guarantee everyone in that restaurant did as well. And that's, that's really quite something. Let's talk about hunting. You mentioned it earlier, you shot a few prairie dogs over in Benghazi or something kinda like that. You grew up in a hunting family, right?
Mark OZ Geist 35:36
Yeah, I grew up farming and ranching. And so you know, hunting was all a part of it. You know, I mean, I can remember the youngest of age, my grandfather, that's where I really did any a lot of shooting was at my grandfather's place. You know, he had, I think it was upwards of 5000 acres. Some of it was in corn, a lot of what was in alfalfa. And then it was a lot of it was, it was high plant. I mean, we live in a high plains desert. So it was buffalo grass, and we ran cattle out there. And one of the biggest day you know, things that injures cattle and horses is prairie dog towns. And you know, you if you don't take care of them, you'll have a three to five acres of prairie dogs and your cattle go through their horses go through there, and they step in one of the holes and break an ankle Break a leg. And that cost to the farmers and ranchers dearly. So my grandfather would put me on my brother, he's two years older than me up on up on a little hill overlooking them. And it gave us a box of ammo and say, I want to be able to kill as many dead prey dogs as I give you rounds. I don't think that I was ever able to truly fulfill that desire his but he set the bar high and said, this is the standard try to reach it. And it was a challenge. So me being as competitive as I was between that challenge and my brother I had to try to do better and my older brother Right,
Keith Mark 37:03
right. Well, that's that's the epitome of aim small, Miss small. And I'm pretty confident that there were several of the militia members over there and being Ghazi that regretted you had such training. But you know, I think you and I have elk and antelope and Turkey and alligator. And we've done a lot of hunting together. But one story that I would like you to share, I'll share and you can chime in liberally. We were down in Florida and one of those big swamp buggies carrying a RS pig hunting. And I've never done it. And I don't think you had at the time and my son Zach was with us and and the guy said, here's how it's gonna go down. You know, we're just gonna rip through the swamps. And when we see, you know, hogs, hey, just let them have it. So away we went. And the guy that was driving the swamp buggy saw the hogs and he goes out there's a pack of dogs, you know, and about the time I see him in there is about six of them running up in front of us. And by the time I recognize the targets, and by the time I lifted the gun to my shoulder, Marcus guy said already cracked off about five pigs.
Mark OZ Geist 38:12
I'd say yeah, if you want to have a blast if you want to. I mean there's very few things I love honten but that was that took it that was just completely different. I mean, you're it's kind of some of that adrenaline rush you're on board and big swap buggies which basically is a monster truck. But there's no truck bed. It's just a flat platform with aircraft, basically like racing seats in it. You're strapped to those and the drivers, they're driving and it goes through everything. I mean, you're going over the Palmetto trees. Jason hogs and and shooting everything. Every every one of them.
Keith Mark 38:50
Yeah, you did to man I might have shot one. I think we killed about 21 hogs that day. now between you and Zack But now what a trip and I'll tell you we had darn near life ending event on that same trip. Remember that? Yeah, with some alligators. Yeah, we worked with a guy that he wrecked an airboat in infested swamp it damn near pin Zach under the boat. But we'll leave that story for for another day. But, you know, I'm not really wanting to get into politics with you. But one of the things that is really irritated me lately is how elected politicians and unelected bureaucrats just keep passing laws and setting policy that are so anti hunting. And hunters just sit back and by and large. take it does that bother you?
Mark OZ Geist 39:45
Yeah, it does. I mean, that's, you know, and as you know, I mean, that's why we had these conversations several years ago starting out and that's what really, I think our conversations and that action are lack of action of learners is what really got us spun up to start in found Hunter Nation. And, you know, with I mean, did phenomenal work over over the last election. And really it's about getting hunters out of the tree stands during November and getting into the voting booths making it so they can get their voice heard, because I was amazed at how many hunters are not registered to vote, then said, I think as we started this, and you started telling me the numbers, I was just flabbergasted. How many people are not willing to you know, getting that I mean, I understand how important it is to go hunt. And that's part of their, their heritage, their livelihood. I mean, it's generational things that have happened. And, but if we don't fight for our rights as hunters, if we don't let our voice be heard, it's not gonna be I mean, we're not going to just step on us.
Keith Mark 41:04
Now I agree with you. And when we saw the numbers, less than half of licensed hunters in America vote, that is absolutely so sad. And you know, one of my favorite, probably my very favorite picture of you, Mark as a civilian, is you with this beautiful blackish gray wolf over your shoulders. And, you know, I mean, it just, I mean, of course, it makes you look like the badass that you are. But for me, because I understand the the fight that's going on now in the country with regard to the delisting of the of the wolf and then being able to hunt wolves. And in your own state of Colorado and your guy's infinite wisdom, you're going to add more wolves to your ecosystem that didn't even come from here. And then I think about hunters not voting. And that's how that happens. And as we are recording this right now, Hunter Nation, with our CEO, and president and fearless leader Luke Hilgemann, has just filed a lawsuit against the DNR in the state of Wisconsin to force the state of Wisconsin to allow a wolf hunt to occur per the language of their statute. But But again, if people don't unite, if hunters don't come together under one banner, we're gonna continue to get poor hunting policy across the country. You agree?
Mark OZ Geist 42:33
Yeah, I do. You know, and it's had, it just is, what I see on a day to day basis, both here in Colorado, and across the country, is the disregard for what this country was founded on what I fought for what I've had friends die and bleed for, and that's for everyone to have a voice. And, you know, it's it's, it's so imperative that those who are hunters Get out, get registered and get out to vote. I mean, you know, like you said, they had delisted the wolf off of the endangered species list. You know, there's other people out there that want to put it back on theirs. I've heard there's rumor that President Joe Biden is looking at doing that, I think probably by executive order, is, you know, with that whole idea of executive orders. And I'm not saying that's just the left thing and the left and right, a thought that that's the way that make business happen in government, but they didn't want to. They don't want to allow that to go in Wisconsin. I mean, because it's obviously allowed the law, the statutes allow it, but no one wants to let it happen because of it. I'm not sure why other than personal ideology.
Keith Mark 44:00
Well, it's certainly not science, and it's certainly not conservation based. And that's why I want to take this second Mark, encourage all of our listeners to go to HunterNation.org. If you're a hunter, or quite frankly, if you just believe in God, family country, traditional American values that include controversial things like our Constitution, and hunting, you need to be a member of Hunter Nation. So go to HunterNation.org and, and lend your voice joined the grassroots army that's fighting for hunters. Mark, I tell you what, what a great time visiting with you here today. You know, it's always an inspiration to me to talk to you in. Thank God I talk to you almost daily. I mean, you're one of the guys that give me the strength to keep fighting even when, you know the times are tough, which I think quite frankly they are right now but this is not the time for you, me or anybody listening to give up. This is the time To join the fight, staying engaged, keep doing the things that are perfect, like enjoying your family, praying to our God and our Savior and, and live in this great hunting lifestyle, but more importantly, to continue to thank and respect guys like yourself that have risked it all in some that gave it all for this greatest country in the world. Mark, thank you so much for joining us here this afternoon. And will you come back again sometime?
Mark OZ Geist 45:27
Oh, definitely. Thank you. I mean, you know, and I got to reiterate, if I can just a little bit on that is, you know, our open spaces are our open spaces, both those delight, cunning and those that don't. But without having those open spaces without having that free range of our, our elk or deer, all of those animals have been part of this country for so long. And making sure that you can be safe in that environment. And that's one of my things with the wolf is wolves kill. I've seen what they do and up close. Then, as you said, that wolf that I got was one that we decided to me that wolf we're gonna have a match in, that one ran towards me. So instead of running the other direction, I ran towards it and made sure that it wasn't gonna be around to hurt anybody else. So we got to protect everybody in this country from the decisions of some people that just based on on their own whim.
Keith Mark 46:32
So if people want to follow you, Mark, is it just markgeist on Facebook and MarkGeist.com on the web?
Mark OZ Geist 46:41
Yeah, Mark, go to MarkGeist.com on the web. And I've got the hardcover books there for sale. And, you know, unless you're buying a used one, you can't find them anywhere else. And they will be autographed. If you buy one off my website, or at least autographed by myself, I can't guarantee that the other guys will have an autograph in them or not. But come there and check it out on what I'm doing, where things are going both with myself and with my ministry. And just too if you got any questions?
Keith Mark 47:14
Yeah, I mean, Mark is very accessible. MarkGeist.com. I highly recommend getting one of those OZ signed, incredible 13 hour books. And don't forget, check out ShadowWarriorProject.org to stay in tune with with Mark doing with his ministry and Hey, Mark, thanks again for joining us.
Mark OZ Geist 47:35
Hey, thanks for having me on. God Bless.
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Episode 17 featuring Kyle Crickenberger & Coyote Contests
Right On The Mark 0:00
Right On The Mark Episode 17, recorded July 2021, featuring Kyle Crickenberger starts right now.
He is hunted all across America and around the world. rifle, pistol, shotgun, crossbow compound traditional, he uses them. He's an outfitter, an award winning outdoor television host and founder of America's only organization fighting to protect every hunters lifestyle. He's brash, he's bold, he's humorous, and a bit hothead. But when it comes to all things God family country and hunting these keys mark and he's right on the mark.
Keith Mark 0:44
Hi, this is Keith Mark and I got my sidekick with me again today Josh Ishmael cam and, and I'll tell you, I'm kind of excited for today's show him actually Josh is you know, I'm excited every day I get up you make fun of me because I say it's the greatest sun sunrise I've ever seen in the greatest sunset. And that's kind of how I see the world but
Josh Ishmael 1:02
I only see the sunsets. Laughter.
Keith Mark 1:06
Okay, Joey Chestnut. Laughter
You know, what's exciting for me today is we're just talking to just a fellow Hunter. I mean, this is like the campfires that you and I and Shawn shared for many, many years with when we were filming McMillan river adventures and I love just hearing what our fellow hunters are thinking from all over the country. And we're going to talk to one of our Hunter Nation friends from Virginia, the awesome state of Virginia, home of George Washington, you know, Kyle Cricken burger is his name, '
Josh Ishmael 1:38
An average joke. I mean, like you'd kind of put it as average Joe but loves coyote hunting, nighttime coyote hunting, they have very good pro coyote hunting laws where you can do it at night. You can do thermals, you can do it at night vision, whatever you got to do just to get the job done.
Keith Mark 1:54
Yeah. So I'm really curious to see what's going on in Virginia in the hunting world. And we'll just talk to rank and file guy it's gonna be fun about it. I love it. Alright, stay tuned. We've got Kyle Crickenburger, just a hunting fool from Virginia, and he's gonna be right on the mark here in just a second.
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Keith Mark 2:31
All right, with no further ado, I want to introduce hunter nation friend of ours Kyle Crickenburger from Virginia. Welcome to Right On The Mark Kyle.
Kyle Crickenberger 2:42
Hey, how you doing? Thanks for having me, guys.
Keith Mark 2:44
You know, I'm just I'm intrigued with what my fellow hunters are thinking about all across the
You know, back when we were filming McMillan river adventures on the outdoor channel, I would spend 150 to 200 nights a year, all over this great country sitting around campfires, and just talking to hunter sharing hunting stories, bitching about things that they thought weren't going right in the country or in the hunting world or otherwise. And, you know, basically just just kicking it. And that's what we're hoping we can do with you today. So here, you've got some pretty good hunting stories, all the way back to when you were the old age of two and a half when you started hunting. Is that true?
Kyle Crickenberger 3:30
Yes, sir. That's correct. My, my dad had me in the woods when I was two and a half years old. And he used to wrap me up in the blanket and take me down in the deer woods. And I've been infatuated with with hunting, you know, at a very young age and was a big deer and turkey hunter most of my life. And then as I became a teenager, I transitioned over into the predator hunting and the coyote hunting world and really dived into that deep and I guess you could say that I was intrigued with it from the aspect of helping out the local farmers and, you know, hunting coyotes because of how elusive you know, they were and it was it was just it was a new, you know, exciting challenge as far as is hunting. And... I've been doing it for quite some time now, I guess you could say for close to 15 years
Keith Mark 4:25
Kyle Crickenberger 4:26
It's a it's a fast pace board and it's very fun.
Keith Mark 4:30
Yeah, it is and you know, you know, predator hunting, it gets kind of a bad rap. You know, I think there's so many people outside of the hunting world that look at coyotes and look at bears and look at Fox and look at, you know, other predatory animals as little cute, cuddly stuffed toys. And so when they hear hunters talking about we need to manage the bear populations or we need to manage the wolf populations or we need to manage...fill in the blank of a number of these, you know, predators, and you have these people that are like, "Oh my gosh, why do you hunt those, you don't eat coyotes, you don't eat wolves." And they just don't understand the North American model of conservation. And you mentioned earlier that one of the things that, you know, kind of drives you as you realize that you're doing a great service to your local farmers and, and livestock operators, right.
Kyle Crickenberger 5:28
Absolutely, I think what tends to happen a lot of times with predator control, or, you know, predator management is, is you you get anti hunting groups or organizations that they, they believe that predator management is not a necessary tool, and that it is more about killing, than hunting. And that is just so far from the truth. And, you know, that's, that's just kind of what I, what I'd like to talk about today, you know, just just try to inform people that, you know, aren't aware of the importance of predator management, you know, and why, why it is a necessit.
Keith Mark 6:14
Well preach, brother Kyle, you're here around the Right On The Mark campfire, it's a area that you're hitting the all the points right on the head of the nail. I mean, tell folks why predator management is such an essential part of managing all wildlife, whether it's the rabbit population, whether it's the deer, the elk, depending on the state you live in the moose, the antelope, the grouse, so on and so forth. We'll talk about that for a second.
Kyle Crickenberger 6:40
Sure, well, I mean, you know, to cover, you know, in a nutshell, what we have in Virginia, I would consider the coyote here, you know, our apex predator, as far as our game animals, you know, and if they aren't being managed, or or hunted, you know, the populations are just going to continue to grow. And that's when you're going to start finding more livestock attacks, you're gonna start having more coyotes move into urban areas where there has been documented, you know, pet attacks, or, you know, where children had been attacked, you know, shoot more human encounters, you know, that they have no natural predator, you know, outside of humans. So, it's our responsibility as conservationists and hunters to manage that species of animal, just like we, you know, manage the deer population, the wild turkey population, you know, the quail population, so on and so forth. You know, it is it is very important, you know, that we don't just manage, you know, the prey species, but the predator species as well.
Keith Mark 7:52
Right on and I agree with you, let's give the listeners just a little bit of a lesson about the coyote population in Virginia. Of course, I live in Kansas, we've had coyotes forever. Josh did some looking online, how many counts we have in Kansas?
Josh Ishmael 8:09
Keith Mark 8:10
300,000, counts and cans were overrun with him. And, you know, we have to consciously on my farm, get out and do our predator management, responsibility and shoot coyotes. Now in Kansas, we can also hunt at night. And so we take that obligation seriously. But at this point, if you would, if we took a year off of hunting coyotes in Kansas, that population would explode to numbers that would just be impossible to get the genie back in the bottle. So when did coyotes give or take first make their way into the Commonwealth of Virginia?
Kyle Crickenberger 8:48
The late the late 70s, early 80s, you know,
Keith Mark 8:53
Are we talking in the 1970s, and 80s, are we talking George Washington? 1700?
Kyle Crickenberger 8:58
Keith Mark 9:00
Wow. 1980 1970 you start getting coyotes. And Josh, how many? What's the population in Virginia now?
Josh Ishmael 9:09
Well, 50,000 is what the DNR sets.
Keith Mark 9:12
So your DNR says there's about 50,000 coyotes in your state. So in a span of roughly 50 years, they've gone from nothing to 50,000. That's that isan incredible explosion of the coyote population in Virginia.
Kyle Crickenberger 9:28
It is and you know, that is we have never our DWR has never actually done any scientific studies to any extent to really know if that 50,000 you know, figure is even accurate. So we truthfully don't know what what the population is and to be quite frank, myself and a lot of the other coyote hunters here in Virginia, believe that, you know, that number is in fact much larger than that, for the simple fact that, you know, we are the guys that are in the field all the time. And I understand that, you know, every state now has an agency and they have their biologists that do, you know, their studies and their scat samples, you know, a middle trap a few coats here and there, but you just can't collect real hard data from from small studies like that, you know, if, if you would, if they would be willing to take the hunters that are in the field for five days or nights a week, you know, from year to year, and, and take some of their input some of their data, you know, that they would see that the numbers have been on the rise for the last 15 years, you know, just at a rapid rate, and
Keith Mark 10:49
Giving them the benefit of the doubt at 50,000. And if they're wrong, and you're correct, and your fellow hunters that are in the field regularly, put that number, something considerably higher than 50,000. Well, obviously, the state of Virginia needs to be concerned about managing that population. You agree?
Kyle Crickenberger 11:09
Absolutely. You know, and and this is one thing, you know, a couple, a couple points that I would like to, you know, cover just, you know, give some people some background, you know, if, if predator management was not an important asset, in why would each state and government agencies be spending millions of dollars every year on predator control and management? You go out West, you have government agencies, you got USDA flying choppers, for coyotes, you know, they're bringing in state trappers, you know, they've got to every state has a, you know, a budget set aside for for predator management, including, you know, Virginia.
Keith Mark 11:52
You know, he just hit the nail on the head on a very sore subject for me, Kyle, it makes no sense to me, because what that does is that takes the coyote or whatever predator animal that we're paying good, hard taxpayer dollars for people to shoot out of airplanes or, or helicopters or a poison or to trap when that puts that coyote or the wolf in the in the liability column. Whereas if with solid conservation practices, where we encourage hunters, like the state of Utah put a bounty on coyotes one year, because they weren't managed, there wasn't enough hunters doing their management responsibility. They had to encourage hunters to get in the field and shoot coyotes. So they put a bounty on coyotes, which would cover some of the expense involved in in that endeavor. And it was highly successful, they were able to reduce the surplus of coyotes in their state to a manageable level, which in turn helped all of the prey populations. It's just unconscionable to me that we would pay taxpayer dollars to do what I guarantee you other hunters would do, if they were allowed to or incentivize to do it.
Josh Ishmael 13:15
They pay $500 a deer tag that just Shawnee Mission Park just right over by us they hired snipers to come in and shoot deer and we would have paid $500 per tag for the opportunity, they would have made money off it
Keith Mark 13:27
Listen, I want to get into a couple of other subjects with you. But we got to take a quick break. We're gonna come back when we come back. I want you to tell our listeners, I want you to tell them a hunting story. I want them to know you're legit. If we were sitting around the campfire and you pulled out one of your two best hunting stories, Kyle have them ready when we come back from the break. When we come back with Kyle Couric and Berger, one of my fellow hunter nation members, predator hunter deluxe from the great state of Virginia, stick around.
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Keith Mark 14:35
Welcome back. All right, Kyle, I gave you a break to think about it. Our listeners want to hear you swap a hunting store with them. What do you got?
Kyle Crickenberger 14:43
Alright. You know, I've got I've got so many memorable hunts, you know, whether they're, they're coyote hunts or deer hunts. I guess you could say, one of my most memorable coyote hunts that I have is probably one of the the first coyotes that I ever got to see killed with thermal imaging, which is infrared I'm not sure you know if any of our you know, listeners are familiar with that type of equipment, but infrared or thermal imaging is available to see differentials between heat sources. You know, a lot of hog hunters down in Texas use this equipment a lot of coyote hunters across the nation use this equipment in back in 2011. I purchased a it was called a FLIR ps 32. And it was a thermal monocular. And at the at the time, the equipment was obviously nowhere near as advanced as it is today. But it was, you would see this black and white image. And it looks like an old Nintendo game, almost when you would look through this viewfinder. And me and a couple buddies had gone out to a local farm here that we have in Bedford County, Virginia. And we called up some some coyotes with this thermal imaging gear. And it was so neat to be able to watch how these animals worked into the call and actually came to us because up until that time, we had used spotlights with red filters that was kind of the standard. And it still is a standard for night predator hunting across the nation, especially down in some of the southern states like Texas, and, you know, typically all you can see with that spotlight is the eye-shine of the predator. So you know, you weren't able to, you know, decipher body language, you weren't able to see if he was you know, checking when and where he was going and you lose him in the tall grass or you know, the brush or whatever. And it was, it was so neat to be able to watch the mannerisms and the characteristics of how these predators you know, would would work their way into this pray. distress call. And anyway, we ended up calling in this coyote that about ran up to our feet at ran up the gun barrel, and a good buddy of mine shot it. And we got over to it. And we were just, we were we were blown away at how fun and how action packed you know that that style of hunting was. And I'd say that's, that's what really got me hooked into the coyote management in predator hunting. And I'd say that's probably one of one of my most memorable hunts just just because that's that's where it all, that's where it all started.
Keith Mark 17:44
You know, you mentioned, you know, hunting in the story was with one of your buddies, and it's so cool, because you didn't even pull the trigger. And you're telling that your buddy pulled the trigger, and it's still not the most memorable. You know?
Kyle Crickenberger 17:59
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Keith Mark 18:00
Do you? Do you mostly coyote hunt with your buddies? Or at least another buddy most?
Kyle Crickenberger 18:07
I've got, yeah, I have, you know, I've competed in predator calling competitions across the nations and I've hunted with, with hundreds of great guys, you know, across the country. But here in Virginia, I've got a group of local guys that we've hunted with each other for years. And, and that's what you know, hunting is is about at the end of the day, you know, I think a lot of people forget about the the camaraderie aspect of hunting and when when I'm 70 years old, you know, that, that those are the memories that I believe that you know, will be the most important to me is you know, time in the field with, you know, friends and family, you know, enjoying what I love to do.
Keith Mark 18:52
You know, it's funny that you say that call because that's really it. I mean, you know, everybody that we talked to on this show, and in the campfires that we've been around for years is it rarely is the most memorable event of somebody's hunting career, a trigger pole, or the release of an arrow. It's it's a story around, you know, this event. And it's funny that you say that one of my favorite coyote hunting stories myself, is we were filming a McMillan River Adventure show in northern Missouri as part of a coyote calling contest up there with a friend of mine who used to be the sheriff in that county there. And I'll tell you, I had never up to that point been involved in a coyote calling contest. But the camaraderie around that. I mean, when we got up there, you know, we entered it was early in the day and everybody got their things together in a way we went. But when everybody came back that evening, moms and dads and kids and grandmas and grandpas and they had a big wild game feed. I mean, it was truly like a whole community of people, family and friends that all got together. And and in the end, we were doing our predator management duties. People that only hunted once a year actually. And it happened to be in that calling contest. But still, they were part of this larger, you know, hunting family lifestyle community. So
Josh Ishmael 20:22
Can I ask how that tournament worked out for you?
Keith Mark 20:25
Well, it wasn't bad. We shot quite a few.
Josh Ishmael 20:29
You got disqualified for having a camera guy?
Keith Mark 20:31
Oh, yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. We've shot a lot of coyotes, but they said because they considered our camera man as a spotter, which of course we didn't do it to win any which way we did it for the fun. But yeah, no, it was a it was a lot of fun. But the point is, there were some hunters in there. They were deer hunters, or they were turkey hunters. And they weren't really predator hunters. But they did it once a year to be part of that contest, which obviously certainly helped in that County's population management. And I hear and I want you to fill me in on this. I hear there some rumblings in Virginia where they want to do away with coyote calling contest, which I personally find that impossible to believe that the citizens of Virginia with your coyote population going up at the rate that it is would allow that to happen. But you know what, Kyle, I want to hear your take on that we come back after this break.
Right On The Mark 21:28
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Keith Mark 22:49
Okay, welcome back, Kyle. And I want to know, is there any truth to these rumors we're hearing here that the year for Virginia is trying to abolish coyote calling contest.
Kyle Crickenberger 23:02
Unfortunately, there there is a lot of truth to those statements. I was made aware of this, back in March, that our DWR wants to ban predator hunting contests in the state of Virginia.
Keith Mark 23:20
And what's the what's the lack of logic behind that Kyle?
Kyle Crickenberger 23:24
Their their logic is is that it is bad optics for the sport of hunting. And they are afraid that it will be misconstrued that we are just hunting to kill versus hunting out of necessity or for a management purpose. And that is that is the logic behind wanting to ban the contest. And like I stated earlier, it just couldn't be further from the truth. And the big driving force, you know, behind a lot of this is is not just our DWR in their opinions of it. But you know, predator hunters and all hunting in general I would say is always under attack by anti hunting organizations and groups, you know, whether it's PETA or the Humane Society or Project Coyote so on and so forth. And we constantly have these organizations that you know, they'll preach one thing, but at the end of the day, they want to get rid of all hunting.
Keith Mark 24:38
Kyle Crickenberger 24:38
And it starts at the bottom of the totem pole and it starts with the smaller what I would consider you know, minority groups of hunting being the the predator hunting or the Coon hunters or you know, certain small game, you know, hunting and that's where it starts and it's you know, it's so important for all hunters to understand that once these anti hunting groups get their foot in the door, they might not be coming for your particular type of hunting today, but they will be coming for it eventually.
Keith Mark 25:14
You know, you know, it just did a promo. You just said a promo for why I founded Hunter Nation in the first place. My whole thought, as I sat and looked over the horizon, trying to see multiple years in the future, and there's no way the anti hunters are going to be able to put hunting yes or no on a ballot. And when it's not gonna happen in our great state of Kansas, when they put is hunting a constitutional right. More people voted yes, it is a constitutional right than any other candidate or initiative that had ever been on a ballot in Kansas since statehood. So hunting is not going to be voted out by the populace. That's they know it, but you hit the nail on the head. If hunters don't unite, what they're going to do is they're going to do away with coyote hunting over here. And then they're going to do away with with a Lesser Prairie Chicken hunting over here, and then they're going to do away with teal hunting over here or dove hunting in Michigan or wherever it is. And then once they segment segment, the population, then they've got us in the problem is in the hunting world, if we're not in fighting over bow hunting versus gun hunting versus long range hunting versus crossbow hunting, total apathy is going to kill us because you know, I'm a turkey Hunter. I don't deer hunt. I don't really care if they ban deer hunting because I don't do it. Oh, you know, I don't coyote hunt. I don't care if they ban coyote hunting. I'm just a deer hunter. And all I do is sheep hunt. I'm a sheep hunter and miss. And that's all I do. And I don't care if there's no elk in Yellowstone, or outside of Yellowstone, whatever it is. And so, boy, I tell you between infighting and apathy, Kyle, it's, it's a heck of a problem. And as you know, I asked that question rhetorically about the coyote calling contest, because Hunter Nation has been actively involved with this issue in Virginia. Because we recognize that this is in fact anti hunting. That the goal here isn't anything short of trying to be an anti hunting piece of legislation. And so Hunter Nation right now is encouraging everybody out there, especially those in Virginia, to go to HunterNation.org. There's a link in there. It's we're right now in the comment period, where they're they're taking this under advisement. And we're asking you to go there, whether you're in the state of Virginia or otherwise, and put your comments in there. And let them know that no, we don't want you to ban coyote calling contest. I mentioned the story about Davies County, Missouri. And I promise you more than half of the people in that contest wouldn't coyote hunt if it wasn't for that contest. So look at what they did for predator management that day up there just there one time a year getting out in the woods. And if we don't have that, then again, 50,000 coyotes or whatever the real number is in Virginia, turns into 100,000 coyotes. Then, what do you got? You got a few less rabbits, you got less deer? And then maybe when these anti hunters start losing Chihuahua and spaniels, they'll, they'll listen?
Kyle Crickenberger 28:28
Absolutely, you know, and I think it's important, you know, for people to understand and realize that they're they're, the hunters across the nation, do more for conservation, conservation than any anti hunting group could ever imagine.
Keith Mark 28:49
Kyle Crickenberger 28:50
And that's just the fact.
Keith Mark 28:53
Kyle Crickenberger 28:54
We will we can't, we can't as hunters, you know, let that slip out of our hands and let these anti hunting groups you know, get a stronghold and start taking away certain styles, you know, or different species, you know, of hunting, and it's just imperative that we we all band together. And, you know, you don't you don't have to be a coyote Hunter. You know, if you're a deer hunter or turkey hunter elk bear doesn't matter. You know, we're all in the fight together. And that's what it's about right now is bringing people bringing the hunters you know, and the hunting community together to say, "Hey, you know, we're all going to fight this. We're not going to stand for what's going on. We're not going to stand for any legislation of taking away any type of hunting." You know, we we have a lot of deer hunters here in Virginia, and it's been a, a big sport here to run deer with hounds. I mean, it's it's been a tradition here in Virginia for a long time and I don't know if you know this or not, but hound hunting for deer has been under fire in Virginia for years. I mean, it's actually another one of the topics, you know, on the agenda that they're trying to get rid of here in Virginia currently as well. And I, I'm a deer hunter myself, but I still hunt. I don't, I don't participate in hound hunting tradition. You know, I didn't grow up doing it that way. But I believe that those guys have every, you know, bit as much right to hunt with their hounds is I do to get in a tree stand and hunt deer.
Keith Mark 30:35
Josh, what he just said, I'm going to paraphrase what he said, if you're not a member of Hunter Nation, go to HunterNation.org. Because everything that you just said, Kyle is exactly why Hunter Nation exists is to try to bring the hound hunters, with the turkey hunters, with the predator hunters and so on and so forth. And so yeah, please if you're not a member of Hunter Nation, I mean, the great CEO, President Luke Hilgemann is leading a charge of a grassroots army of hunters to make sure that the anti hunters don't cut us apart. And then cautious one little group at a time,
Josh Ishmael 31:15
Kyle's actually on fire on another topic of if you're a deer hunter, you should care about it because 54% of fawn deaths are caused by coyotes.
Keith Mark 31:23
And that's it 50,000 Imagine if, well, let's ask this question, because then you're gonna give me the answer to what's going to happen in Josh's scenario. So I personally believe that coyote calling contests are an integral part of coyote management, because it is not one of the more popular forms of hunting. And now of course, you've got guys like you and me and Josh, we're going to coyote hunt, no matter what, because one, I enjoy it. Two, it's very challenging. And three, I fully understand that every coyote I kill is helping my deer and fawn and Turkey population on my farm. So in your opinion, Kyle, if these anti hunters prevail on this issue, and they banned calling contest for coyotes in in Virginia, do you believe it will have an adverse effect on the number of people that get to the woods to hunt coyotes, in turn, is going to hurt the management of that species?
Kyle Crickenberger 32:24
Absolutely. I mean, you know, it does coincide with with deer hunting, you know, as the predator population increases, if they aren't being managed, or hunted, you know, the the fawn mortality rate is also going to increase with that, you know, the predation rate is also going to increase, you know, with the small game, you know, animals. I mean, it's, it goes back to this simple wildlife management, you know, and Conservation 101 and it's just very imperative that, you know, the hunters under understand that and even if you're not a hunter, you know, so right.
Keith Mark 33:09
You want to just see deer in the woods. You want to see deer in the woods, give us that number one more time, Josh, why the deer hunters there? And I'm sure there's a comparable turkey stat like this are certainly probably a comparable rabbit. Maybe a chihuahua stat. But let's give them the deer stat. Right?
Josh Ishmael 33:24
It was 54% of all fawn deaths were caused by coyotes,
Keith Mark 33:28
right? Think about that. That's it. 50,000 coyotes. They banned coyote calling contest, let's say they kill half of the number of coyotes in Virginia. Next thing you know they're gonna have 75,000 coyotes in Virginia, then what's that going to do to fawn mortality? It's going to be crazy. So listen, as we sit around this campfire, and we're about to close. Listen to Kyle, if you're in Virginia, no matter if you're a turkey hunter, Deer Hunter. You know, whatever. waterfowl Hunter, hey, support, all hunting, legal and ethical hunting, which certainly predator hunting is, coyote contests are, go to HunterNation.org. Get in the fight. Don't sit on the sidelines. This game is too important. Got to get in the fight.
Josh Ishmael 34:13
All right, before we leave, Kyle, I got a question for you. A lot of the people that are against coyote competition see the pictures of the the coyotes on trailers after the contest. Can you tell us why the coyotes are on the trailers?
Kyle Crickenberger 34:29
Yeah. One event in particular, a good friend of mine, Jason Groseclose. He hosts and has been hosting for a few years now an event here in Virginia called the Eastern predator calling championship and it's one of the largest predator hunting calling competitions east of the Mississippi River. And how the format of the hunt works is you can actually participate in this event in any state, east of the Mississippi River, there's rules and regulations for the hunt. And then there's a check in in Wytheville, Virginia, where all these participants will bring, you know, their coyotes. And there's, you know, there's there's bounties, and you know, there's different prizes for, you know, first, second, third play side side deals, and so on and so forth. And at the end of this event, we have, since day one of this contest, we have had a fur buyer on site that will bring in a 16 foot trailer, and he collects all the fur, whether it be foxes or Bobcat, and he skins these animals out, and he sells them, you know, at NAFA, so the furs are being utilized. And the reason that you'll see these pictures, floating around with, you know, a few 100 coyotes on a trailer is because that's actually the fur buyer, that is, is collecting all of the first to go in, you know, utilize it and skin all those animals out. And you'll see a lot of misinformation out there with a picture that, you know, the Humane Society or Project Coyote will put out and it will, you know, be something along the lines of, you know, "these 300, you know, coyotes were, you know, slaughtered, you know, by by one group of by, by five guys", and that's just so far from the truth, because that that is collectively, several 100 participants that have harvested those animals, and, you know, in the entire state or surrounding, you know, states, so we're talking hundreds of millions of acres, you know, it's not like, you know, they are decimating a population where there has been several 100 coyotes taken out of this one county, you know, it spans across, you know, the, the entire state. And at the end of the day, you know, what that is, is, is predator management.
Keith Mark 36:56
That's right. And you know, what that trailer signifies, that signifies that a number of hunters participated in hands on predator management, wildlife conservation, and that's living proof that it works because the more of those coyotes that get shot and managed, the population stays at a stable level which all the prey populations benefit from. So here's my question for you. Who's the most famous predator hunter in all time, Virginia history?
Kyle Crickenberger 37:29
I would honestly have to say, a good a good friend of mine, Benton Bowman is his name. And he's
Keith Mark 37:39
Well, Benton may have been a heck of a coyote hunter or predator Hunter. But do you know George Washington, was a prolific Fox Hunter. In fact, George Washington, hunted Fox nearly every day. And he kept a very copious diary and journal of the number of foxes that he saw and the number of foxes that he was able to take all via horseback and hounds. How about that?
Kyle Crickenberger 38:05
Really? I did not know that.
Keith Mark 38:07
See there now. Now that's something that you have to research and look into it, in my opinion. If George Washington, the founder of our nation, thought enough about hands on predator management, that he not only did it, he wrote about it, I sure think all the rest of you all in Virginia, and all across the country, ought to take it seriously and do it ourselves. What do you think?
Kyle Crickenberger 38:31
Keith Mark 38:32
Well, Kyle, you've been a heck of a guest. I appreciate you coming around the cyber campfire witness and I tell you, you let me know when there's a coyote calling contest out there. And I'd love to come out there and participate in hands on predator management in Virginia. I've never hunted Virginia, I'd love to come out there and share a real campfire with you if you would have us.
Unknown Speaker 38:55
Yes, sir. Absolutely. My doors is open anytime. And if you guys ever wanted to come out here and hunt, you're absolutely welcome. And I just want to I want to thank you guys for giving me the opportunity, you know, to, to come on the podcast today. And you know, just just speak about what we've got, you know, going on here in Virginia, and what I want to also thank Luke for everything he's done with Hunter Nation as well and helping us fight this battle. And, you know, hopefully, the upcoming vote that we have going on in August that it's going to go in our favor, you know, and we're going to be able to continue, you know, to participate in legal hunting. You know, that's, that's our main goal. Yeah, just
Keith Mark 39:39
remember, just remember this, Kyle, if those brave patriots would have showed up at the Concord bridge, and looked around and there was three of them. We'd have been in big trouble. And one we're trying to ban things like, you know, this, this bad policy in Virginia that they're trying to pass the banned coyote calling contest and, and all these other fights that Hunter Nation's in the middle of if Luke turns around, and there's only two or three people that are behind him, hunters lose. So thanks for putting your name on the dotted line for Hunter Nation Kyle, I encourage you to reach out to all your fellow predator hunters and just hunters in general in Virginia, make sure they know that this is a fight for our lifestyle, buddy. And that if they're not members of Hunter Nation, they need to go to HunterNation.org and become part of this army. Thanks for coming on Kyle. And those of you listening if you stick around, Josh now have a little close and we'll be back here in just one second. Thanks again, Kyle. Happy hunting.
Kyle Crickenberger 40:44
Right On The Mark 40:45
Hunter Nation has issued an Action Alert in response to organized efforts to ban predator calling contests in Virginia. Hunter Nation needs every hunter to login and register your opposition to this ban. The comment period ends July 30. So hurry, regardless of where you live in the United States. Your comments are welcome. So take action now and visit HunterNation.org. Today, scroll down to the hunter advocacy section or click the hunter advocacy link at the top of the website, you will be directed to the appropriate comment section of the Virginia Division of Wildlife Resources page. Anti hunting regulations like this hurt every Hunter. So make your voice be heard. Now, it's quick and Hunter Nation has made it as simple as possible. So log on now, and let your voice be heard and help protect hunting rights. Hunter Nation is committed to providing a unified voice for the American Hunter. And this is how you can help visit HunterNation.org today and click the Virginia Action Alert under our hunter advocacy section. Hurry, this comment period ends July 30.
Keith Mark 42:06
Welcome back to Right On The Mark. And you know what, Josh? That's really refreshing, right? You know, we've had, you know, all kinds of crazy people here on the podcast from Ted Nugent and Michael Martin Murphy to Mark Geist and so on and so forth. But I mean, just talking to Kyle reminds me how important it is that just rank and file hunters step up and make their voice heard.
Josh Ishmael 42:28
And he's he's not with an organization.
Keith Mark 42:30
Josh Ishmael 42:30
He's just a guy wanting to make a difference. He's making a difference.
Keith Mark 42:33
Yes, he isn't. And if you're listening today, and you're thinking, Well, I'm just one person. Well, you know, one person turns to two turns to, you know, 80 million if we're talking voting,
Josh Ishmael 42:44
right, you know, and if nothing else, he educated people on where the coyotes go, or I mean, it's not like they're just thrown away. They're being utilized. And in turn, they're helping the deer populations, the turkey populations, and so on and so forth.
Keith Mark 42:58
Yeah, it just seems crazy. To me. It's sinister, in fact, is the word that comes to my mind that there are forces out there that they know managing coyotes are a must if we're going to have healthy deer, healthy turkey healthy, all these populations, but yet they don't want to manage them. Right.
Josh Ishmael 43:18
Right, right. Well, just like you said, if there's no deer to be hunted, then why go to the woods. If I take my kids out, and they don't see anything? Why do they want to go again?
Keith Mark 43:27
Right? And you know, and I tell you today, and we ought to mention this. So a friend of the program passed away today. Somebody that came on as a guest for us, not three weeks ago, really one of the corner blocks of modern, you know, the American model of conservation, Val Geist. And you know, Josh, remember what what he said he said that the really the only thing that standing between the Second Amendment and its abolition is the American Hunter.
Josh Ishmael 43:59
Keith Mark 44:00
And so I think it's even worse than then sometimes we think, I think it's not just anti hunting. I think it's so sinister, that it's anti American, if there's no hunters, there's no need to have firearms. And then the next thing you know, what do we become? Something to think about? Well, very refreshing to listen to Kyle, talk about just how fun it is to, you know, and challenging it is to predator hunting, how important that it is that we predator hunt.
Josh Ishmael 44:31
And more importantly, to make your voice be heard by going to the Virginia website and let your public comment be heard.
Keith Mark 44:38
Right. I hope Kyle, when he hung up today that he calls five of his friends and tells them to call five of their friends to call five of their friends until they literally get an army of hunters in Virginia to let their voice be heard and make sure they don't get this just rotten anti hunting policy shoved down their throat.
Josh Ishmael 44:59
Keith Mark 44:59
Well, if If you're not members of Hunter Nation, make your voice heard go to HunterNation.org. It's a must. Honestly, when we're in a cultural war for our lifestyle, I think we're in a culture war right now. For the soul of America. It boils down in my opinion, just to just the old fashioned good versus evil. This is like every Western we saw when we were kids, you knew who the good guy was from the start. You knew who the bad guy was from the start. And you rooted like hell for the good guy. And sometimes the good guy needed friends to join the posse and help defeat evil. Well, Luke, the CEO, and president of Hunter Nation needs you to join his posse become members of HunterNation.org make your voice be heard. That way we can crush these anti hunters in Virginia and everywhere else where they rear their ugly heads. Well, join us again next time we'll be "Right On The Mark" right here.
Right On The Mark 45:53
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